MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN (Birmingham, W.): I beg to move, Sir, that the Debate be now adjourned until Thursday. Motion made, and Question proposed, "That the Debate be now adjourned." (Mr. Joseph Chamberlain.) O'Connor) was unfortunate in alluding | the English race will be so false to all to the means by which the elections in their traditions that, for the sake of this country were won, because he buying a so-called union of hearts, they gave the hon. Member for South Tyrone will betray those who have been true (Mr. T. W. Russell) an opportunity, to them throughout such a long period of which he availed himself to the of time. Although the victory is yours full, to show the gross means for the present, yet I believe the time which were made use of in Ireland. will come when we shall gain the day, In the North of Ireland candidates and when the English race, once for came professing to be of the same faith | all, will say that they will never allow as the people, and availing themselves the English name to be disgraced by of the great name of the right hon. such an act as is contemplated by Gentleman the Member for Midlothian, right hon. Gentlemen opposite. and they put the Home Rule Bill in the background; but notwithstanding all their arts their policy was rejected, and they themselves failed in making any impression upon the Ulster seats. If the verdict were won in the same way in England as it was won in Ireland, it was not a verdict on the merits, but a verdict won by fraud, and as such it should be set aside. The people of Ulster want to know in what way the (11.45.) MR. TIMOTHY HEALY right hon. Member for Midlothian (Louth, N.): Mr. Speaker, I rise to proproposes to deal with them. Are we Are we test against the further adjournment of simply to be told that our fears are this Debate. We have been brought here absolutely groundless? I think we, the people of Ulster, ought to be able better at considerable inconvenience for the than anybody else to form some esti- purpose of taking part in it, and we mate of the dangers to which we are have listened to the same speeches reexposed. But our case is made light peated over and over again. There is of and laughed at, and the people of a Standing Order against tedious repeEngland are called upon to adopt a tition, and in spite of that we have the generous policy. I say, if England wants to be generous, let her be same remarks made again and again. ous at her own expense, and not indulge It is nothing but a waste of time. her generosity at the expense of the Last night we heard the hon. Member lives and property of the people she is for Bordesley (Mr. Jesse Collings) for bound in honour to stand by. Instead nearly two hours. (Mr. JESSE COLLINGS: of bringing peace to Ireland you are Not so long as that.) And on Thursday bringing a sword, you are inflicting a wrong that will be transmitted to our we are to hear the right hon. Gentlechildren, and instead of removing the man the Member for West BirmingIrish difficulty you are doing all that in ham. Well, Mr. Speaker, why is the you lies to make the Irish difficulty House adjourned over to-morrow? eternal. It is not a fortunate thing to Why should the Government waste our drive a people faithful to you to des- time by bringing us here on Thursday, pair. It was not a fortunate thing to when we might have listened to maltreat and trample upon your the right hon. Gentleman to-morrow? North American Colonies, and I│I think the time has now come to take doubt whether it will be more fortunate for England if she treats the loyal people of Ulster as she now proposes to treat them. Are you determined to drive our people to flight or fight?-because these are the only alternatives put before us, and we are not inclined to fly. I do not believe gener a Division. Jobbery is going on apace- All' that no less than twenty Tory revising | seeing this jobbery perpetrated, and I barristers have been appointed with think it is quite time for us to divide. warrants in their pockets by a secret document signed by the Lord Lieutenant. My hon. and learned Friend the Member for Derry (Mr. J. Ross) talks about Ulster, but he is Member for these Tory revising barristers. I am credibly informed that a revising barrister has been sent to gerrymander Derry by the outgoing Government. I protest against this further waste of time. I am informed that since Saturday no less than forty appointments have been made of sonsin-law, or prospective sons-in-law, of Members of the Government to positions in the Board of Works. FOR THE CHIEF SECRETARY IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, N.): I do not wish to interrupt the argument of the hon. and learned Gentleman, but there is absolutely not the slightest slightest foundation for the scandalous imputation he has made. (Repeated cries of "Withdraw!") MR. HEALY: One moment. My statement is founded on the authority of the Orange organ of Ireland, the Dublin Daily Express, the organ of Her Majesty's Government in Ireland. MR. JACKSON: The words used by the hon. and learned Gentleman appeared in the Freeman's Journal. MR. HEALY: I beg the right hon. Gentleman's pardon. I am quoting from the Dublin Daily Express, which described the proceeding as a "shameless job." But I have no objection, if the expression is thought to be disrespectful on the part of the Orange paper, or if it is unfounded, as I have no wish to become the means (11.53.) EARL COMPTON (Yorkshire, Barnsley): I do not know if I may be allowed a few words on the question of adjourning over to-morrow. (Cries of " Decided !") As I understand, the question is whether we should adjourn over to-morrow. ("No, no; that is decided!") I have no wish whatever to put the House to the trouble of a Division or anything of that kind; but I believe I shall be within my right if I move that the Debate be adjourned till to-morrow. ("No, no!") At all events I speak to the Question of Adjournment of the Debate, and whether it shall be resumed to-morrow or not. ("No, no!") Are we going to have a meeting? MR. T. W. RUSSELL (Tyrone, S.): Mr. Speaker, I rise to a point of Order. I wish to ask you, Sir, is it not the fact that at the beginning of business. decided that at its rising to-night it to-day the House, by Resolution, should adjourn to Thursday? Is it competent for the hon. Member now to go back on that Resolution? MR. SPEAKER: The hon. Member is quite correct. A Resolution was passed this afternoon, "That this House, at its rising, do adjourn till Thursday." That question is therefore settled. EARL COMPTON: I can then only of the Debate. I cannot understand why speak to the Question of the Adjournment the Debate is going to be adjourned at all. It seems to me--I do not know what arrangements have been made between. the Government and the Front Oppo of circulating Orange calumnies, I sition Bench-but it does seem to me that the time of the country is being wasted. We are having speech after speech, from either side of the House, but I should have thought we have discussed the question of Ireland quite sufficiently during the last We have all made up minds how we shall vote years. infinitely better to have concluded the when the Division is called. We | not be altered by any speeches here. It have not now a question before us has been decided by the country that as regards Ireland or any part of the Her Majesty's present Government Newcastle Programme; the only ques-resign. I think it would have been must resign, and they will have to tion at the moment is whether the Government are to meet with an adverse vote or not. The Party opposite will vote with the Government. The Liberal Party will vote against the Government. I do not include in the Liberal Party those who, still sitting on this side of the House, have no claim to the name of Liberals. Surely it is right that a protest should be made against this putting off of a decision. We do not want any more speeches. We are all quite well aware what we shall hear from the right hon. Gentleman the Member for West Birmingham. We have all read his speeches delivered during the recent elections. Very able speeches they were; we have all read them, and we know the views of the right hon. day. Gentleman. We do not want to listen to another declaration of these views. His speech will have absolutely no effect whatever on the Division that will take place. He used, I think, all the force he has at command during the late elections, and great force it is. He will certainly not wean a single vote from this side of the House to the support of his views when the Division takes place on Thursday. Why it should be deferred to Thursday I do not know. It would have been perfectly easy to have carried through the Debate in two nights instead of spreading it over three. MR. JOSEPH CHAMBERLAIN : Why debate at all? EARL COMPTON: I quite agree with the right hon. Gentleman. Why debate at all? We are all ready to go to a vote, and perhaps the vote will be taken a great deal earlier if the right hon. Gentleman does not speak. The question for six years has been before the country whether the present Government should remain in Office. It being Midnight, the Motion for the Adjournment lapsed, and the Debate stood adjourned. Debate to be resumed upon Thurs One other Member took and subscribed the Oath. ΜΟΤΙΟΝ. ADJOURNMENT. (12.4.) MR. TIMOTHY HEALY (Louth, N.): I observe that the Government have entirely abrogated one of their functions a few days too soon, and, therefore, I have much pleasure in moving, "That this House do now adjourn." Motion made, and Question proposed, "That this House do now adjourn."(Mr. Timothy Healy.) Motion agreed to. House adjourned at five minutes after Twelve o'clock. HOUSE OF COMMONS, Thursday, 11th August, 1892. Several other Members took and subscribed the Oath; and two other Members made and subscribed the Affirmation required by Law. QUESTIONS. PROPOSED POST OFFICE AT (Roscommon, S.): I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland what is the term for which a prisoner named Cormican, now detained in Dundrum Asylum, Dublin, for alleged comCounty Galway, was sentenced; how plicity in the attack on Weston House, much of the term has expired; and whether, considering his conduct and the state of his mind, this prisoner can now be released, in view of the fact that another prisoner sentenced to a longer term at the same time has been since released? FOR *THE CHIEF SECRETARY COLONEL NOLAN. (Galway, N.): IN.): The convict referred to was IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, beg to ask the Postmaster General sentenced to ten years' penal servitude has he considered the desirability of on 2nd August, 1883, so that nine establishing a post office at Kilbannon, years of the term have expired. From County Galway? Dundrum Asylum it appears that the the Report of the resident physician at man's mental condition is such as to render his release unadvisable. THE POSTMASTER GENERAL (Sir JAMES FERGUSSON, Manchester, N.E.) I regret that on inquiry it is found that the letters are far too few to warrant the cost of establishing a suboffice. But orders have been given for fixing a wall letter box. BRITISH MISSION TO AFGHANISTAN. ALLEGED ASSAULT BY A NATIONAL TEACHER. MR.J.J.CLANCY (Dublin Co., N.) for Mr. L. P. HAYDEN (Roscommon, S.): I MR. J. SEYMOUR KEAY (Elgin and Lord Lieutenant of Ireland whether he beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Nairn): I beg to ask the Under Se- is aware that an old man named Lettice cretary of State for India whether the Government of India intend sending a night of the 12th July by a party led by was attacked when going home on the British Mission to the Ameer of Joseph Boylan, national teacher, CastleAfghanistan, with Lord Roberts at its jordan, County Meath, whilst the head; if the Ameer will consent to former was returning from voting; and receive it; and has the proposed Mission whether Boylan's conduct will be arisen out of the affair of Bajour, and brought under the notice of the Comto what object or objects is it ad- missioners of National Education? dressed? *THE CHIEF SECRETARY THE UNDER SECRETARY OF IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, STATE FOR INDIA (Mr. G. N. CUR-N.): So far as the police can ascertain, ZON, Lancashire, S. W., Southport): Her there is no foundation for the charge Majesty's Government are desirous in this question against the national that a meeting should take place be- teacher mentioned. tween the Ameer and a British officer representing the Government of India, to discuss various questions of frontier policy; but the matter has not reached a stage at which it would be possible to give any detailed information. THE PRISONER CORMICAN IN MR. J. J. CLANCY (Dublin FOR TRAWLING ON THE SCOTCH COAST. marty): I beg to ask the Lord AdMR. J. G. WEIR (Ross and Crovocate whether he is aware that steam trawlers are regularly working within the three mile limit on the coasts of Ross and Cromarty; and what steps, if any, have been taken by the Government to enforce the law relating to trawling? Р 308 307 Fair Rent Sub-Commission (COMMONS} in County Cavan. MR. HEALY: May I ask when this question will be considered? It has been stated in the newspapers that the design does not include the national colour. a sixth vessel was stationed for some time on the east coast during the present summer. There have been twelve prosecutions this year and seven convictions. MR. TIMOTHY HEALY (Louth, N.): I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland who selected the colour of the ensign for the Irish Fishery Department which has recently been adopted; are there any letters or minutes respecting the colour of the flag; and by whose order was it settled that no portion of the flag should be green? *THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, N.): The Inspectors of Irish Fisheries are all absent from Dublin on duty in the country. I learn by telegraph that the question of the flag has not yet been submitted to the newlyconstituted Board. MR. HEALY: Is Mr. Cecil Roche also absent from Dublin? *MR. JACKSON: I have no know ledge on the subject. As I have said, the Inspectors are away, and I can only give the House such information as I have received. THE ROYAL IRISH CONSTABULARY. MR. TIMOTHY HEALY (Louth, N.): I beg to ask the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland if any suggestion was held out to the Royal Irish Constabulary or any of them of a bonus for special work during recent years, and was any recommendation of the kind made by the heads of the force to the Government? *THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, N.): I am informed that no suggestion of the nature indicated in this question was held out to the Royal Irish Constabulary by the authorities, nor was any recommendation of the kind made to the Government by the heads of the force. *THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRELAND (Mr. W. L. JACKSON, Leeds, N.): The Land Commissioners report that all the sittings of the SubCommissioners are arranged by the three Commissioners sitting together, having regard to the number of cases outstanding in the several counties, but without any regard to particular estates; and that Mr. Wrench had taken his part in such arrangements, but that he was not aware that there were any cases on the Lanesborough Estate, nor does he know by what SubCommissioners they were heard. |