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God, which end in Christ; and they do not speak of a declarative word, but you in your nicety.
P. There is a two-fold coming of the gospel, the one in word, the other in power.'
A. The blind people thou wouldest here make believe that the word was not the power, which word and power are one, for Christ is the word, and Christ is the power of God; his name is called the power of God, and he that ministers the word, ministers the power of God, and the gospel.
P. “The saints that stood upon mount Sion, that followed the Lamb, those saints that were without guile before the throne of God, are to be understood in the justification and not in sanctification, that are spoken of in the Revelations.?
A. Here thou hast manifested thyself to be an accuser of the brethren who are justified, and said to be without fault. Now they who are justified, are sanctified and justified; it was said, in their mouths was no guile; they were not defiled; and now these that have no guile, and are justified, and were not defiled with women, such are sanctified. So that thou judgest of things that are too mighty for thee; and meddlest with things that are too weighty, and bringest judgment upon thy own head; whose measure is measured, and weights are tried; and thou art of them that are found too light.
P. "He that is born of God sins not after the same sort as them that are of the devil.'
A. He that commits sin is the servant of sin, and he that commits sin is of the devil; and he that is born of God doth not commit sin, for he cannot, because he is born of God, born of that nature which cannot sin: and those who sin are of the devil, of the same nature of their fa ther; but he that is born of God doth commit sin at no rate, for he is of the same nature of his Father.
P. “As John saith: as he is, so are we in this present world, that scripture, saith he, cannot be so in the latitude of it.'
A. I believe you; for from the men of your generation, it was not given forth: but they that are the sons of God understand it as it is, and believe it as it speaks.
P. Christ was holy from his conception, so are not we,' saith he, but we are sanctified in time. Christ was holy, and so are not we, for there still remains the indwelling of sin in us.'
A. And some were sanctified from the womb, and some children were holy that were born of the believers. Christ in the male and in the female, is as he was in his eternal generation; and is the same, and remains; and is the sanctification, and he sanctifies the unsanctified sons of Adam in the transgression, and Christ changeth them, and
makes them like himself; and they who have sanctification without and not within, are hypocrites.
P. “That the saints are complete in point of justification, and not in sanctification.'
A. They that are not complete in sanctification, are not complete in justification, for they are one; they that are complete in the one, are complete in the other; and so far as a man is sanctified, so far is he justified, and no farther; for the same that sanctifies a man justifies him; for the same that is his sanctification, is his justification, and his wisdom, and his redemption. He that knows one of them, knows all: he that doth not feel one of them, feels none of them at all, for they are all one.
P. “Faith justifies only instrumentally; neither doth it justify instrumentally as a work wrought in us by the spirit.'
A. The man is blind; he is angry there, and fretting himself about things that are too weighty for him, about things that he knows not; for faith is the gift of God which purifies the heart, which brings people to have access to God: in that, and by that which purifies men, men are justified, and in that is virtue; by the hearing of that, men receive the spirit. So that this is confusion, and contrary to the scripture, and confuted by it; for ye are justified through faith, and by the spirit, in which men please God, and without which they cannot; therefore that is instrumental. And in that they have victory, and in that they have unity one with another, and in it have access to God. But saith he, faith doth not justify instrumentally by any virtue that is in it any more than is in love.' Love and faith are one, without faith there is not love: love is the fruit of faith, flows from it, without it there is no unity, and without faith there is no victory, and without victory there is no love; and it justifies, and is wrought by the spirit.
P. “A perfect conformity to the law of God written, in the strength and power of grace, the spirit working all in us and for us; all this is no more than the righteousness of the law.'
A. That is the end of the law that brings to the righteousness of the law, and to a perfect conformity to it, and fulfils it; that is the seed, Christ in the male and in the female, by whom grace comes, by Jesus Christ, which brings to live in the righteousness of it, which is the righteousness of faith, by which the spirit is received, which works all in people, and for them, and which ends the law.
The Brownists' Principles.
P. "They never heard God's voice from heaven, nor saw his shape:' and yet they affirm, they have the same power and spirit that the
apostles had, though much below;' and that they have the word abiding in them.'
A. You that never heard the voice of God, nor saw his shape, have not seen him who is a spirit, nor have you his power, nor his word abiding in you; for they who have the spirit of God, and the power of God, and the word of God abiding in them; with the spirit of God, with the power of God, see God's shape; and they who have God's word abiding in them, hear the voice of God; for God is the word, and God will dwell in them, and walk in them.
P. "That they are brought to the church that is in God, the pillar and ground of truth, where there is neither spot nor wrinkle, nor any such thing.'
A. And yet you never heard the voice of God! and how can yos be brought to the church that is in God, and never heard the voice of God? For none come to the son but through the drawings of the Father; and none know the drawings of the Father, but they who hear his voice. The Jews that came not to the son, Christ told them, they had not known the voice of God; and none come to him, but who the Father draweth.
P. We do not look for any such thing as revelation from heaven, or speaking as they are moved, or waiting for the power, as the apostles did; we say we do not look for any
such thing.' A. This shows that you have not received the grace, for the grace comes by revelation ; and that you have not received the son, for the son comes by revelation; nor have you known the Father whom the son reveals; you are not come to the holy ghost whom the saints witnessed, that led them to speak forth scriptures, for no prophecy of the scriptures came by the will of man. So you are among those men that have the scriptures in their wills, and want the thing that the scriptures were given forth by, that is, the holy ghost; for holy men of God were moved to speak them forth, who learned them of God and spake them forth as the spirit gave them utterance. Therefore, how can ye say, that you are come to the church in God, and wait neither for the power nor revelation as the saints did, and were in? For if you have all the scriptures, and have not that, you have not revelation, and have not the holy ghost; for the scriptures, are not known but by revelation, and they are revealed by the spirit that gave them forth: and though men have all the scriptures, yet the son is not known but by revelation of the Father.
P. “The scripture is the gospel, the scripture is the light, the scripture is the word.'
A. The scriptures are the words of God given forth from the spirit of God, learned from him: the gospel is the power of God, the scripture declares it. A man may have the form and deny the power, and
80 deny the gospel. Christ is the light of the world, the life and the light of men, by whom the world was made; and many have the scriptures, but deny the light, the life and power of it, Christ Jesus, who is the life, and power, and authority of them.
P. "That they knew no law of God against praying and preaching by an hour-glass; and that the apostles did perform the ordinances of God at set times; and Daniel and David prayed customarily, and how this can be said to be will-worship, and to be seen of men, we shall leave it to the Lord.'
A. The Lord judgeth it to be will-worship, that which limits the holy one to an hour-glass; and the spirit of the Lord that taught the saints to pray, never limited itself to an hour-glass. So you by an hourglass pray and preach as the Papists with their beads, so that which limits the Lord to a set time, are traditions and vain customs of the heathen, and traditions of men, which always limited the spirit; which spirit gave freedom to the Just in every one, who said, quench it not, nor limit it; but knocked down vain customs and traditions of men, which were set up by men who had quenched the spirit in themselves, and would limit the Holy One in others. And such were always judged of the Lord, and by them that had his spirit, to be idolaters, and in the will-worship, and not in the spirit, which are got up since the days of the apostles.
John Turner's Principles.
P. “That light which convinceth a man of sin was a wicked conscience.'
A. The wicked conscience doth not convince of sin, then satan were divided against satan: that which doth convince of sin, is not wicked, nor sin; but it is the spirit of God, the light of Christ Jusus, that convinceth of sin; and the elect have faith, and where faith is, there is obedience.
The Ranters' Principles.
P. Christ without comes to destroy Christ within.'
A. Christ is but one, and it is the devil that he destroys and his works, the anti-christ and not the true Christ, who is the true seed in male and female; and it is the false Christ he destroys in the male and female, and he comes to end the types and figures and shadows that
people might live in him, the end of the types, and figures, and "shadows, the substance.
P. “And the woman that Paul speaks of that is forbidden to speak in the church, but must learn of her husband at home, is the whore that drinks the blood of the saints in Revelations.'
A. That is false; for the woman the apostle speaks of there, that must learn in silence, and must be in subjection, and ask her husband at home, is in the state of Eve, who must not teach, but learn in silence, as also said the law, for she was first found in the transgression. Now the woman here hath a husband to ask at home, and she is not to usurp authority over the man; but Christ in the male as in the female, who redeems from under the law, and makes free from the law, may speak, Christ in the male and female who are in the spirit of God, who are not under the law. But the whore who drinks the blood of the saints, is gone from her husband, from under the law, to ask the whoremaster, that doth drink the blood of the saints, which Christ the seed judgeth, upon whom he gives judgment.
P. And the outward creatures which God hath made and created, and blessed, are the serpent's meat,' as the old Ranter of Bristow, when he was gnawing a piece of plum pudding, said he was eating the serpent's meat.
A. The serpent's meat is dust, and he goes on his belly, and so he hath proved himself to be a serpent, who eats his meat; which the children of God, the seed, do not; and Christ who ate of the bread, did not eat the serpent's meat, he did not call it serpent's meat, and that which doth so is cursed and judged.
Francis Duke's Book, entitled, “The fulness and freeness of God's
gruce.' His Principles are as follow.
P. "God made man perfection of parts in this life, but not perfection in degrees.'
A. Perfection of parts is perfection of degrees; for where there is a part there is a degree, so in this thou meddlest with things that are too heavy for thee.
P. "That God did elect that drop of human seed to be personal God-man, as the text is; the seed of the woman shall bruise the serpents' head.'
A. The elect is Christ, the seed; Christ the second Adam, is not human, for human is earthly, so thou errs in thy judgment, for as Christ the seed says, 'he that is born of the flesh, is flesh, and he that is