the world, it is not His will that the world should now be converted, and it is therefore God's will that all evil associated with non-conversion must be allowed to run its course throughout this life with impunity, for no divine attempt has been shown against it. Since the people of the world go into the grave without receiving any law from God, they die without condemnation; according to Elder Russell's theory, are not lost when they die, will not be lost when they are raised from the dead, unless they become lost while in their graves.

As he paid no attention to the questions I asked him in my former speech, I want him to pay some attention to these questions now:

1. How are people lost without law from God?

2. How do they die lost without any law from God?

3. How will they be raised from the dead, lost?

4. If they are not lost while living, are not lost at death, are not lost in the grave and will not be lost when resurrected from the grave, how can they then be saved?

5. How can a man who is not lost when he dies in the gospel age, be saved when raised from the dead in the millennial age?

18. (Mark 3:28-29.) Jesus saith, "Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme. But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.” Or, as expressed by Matthew, "He hath never forgiveness, neither in this world nor in the world to come." What is the sin against the Holy Ghost? Jesus said if they blaspheme against God or sin against God, they can be saved; if they sin against the Holy Spirit, there is no forgiveness, neither in this world nor in the world to come. Why? Because the people might reject God's offered terms of mercy, and still Jesus was coming to teach them, while alive, salvation; while Jesus was here on earth preaching the gospel unto them he was offering them salvation. They might reject it and still be saved, because the Holy Spirit was coming and going to reveal unto them the complete and full plan of salvation which would be God's last revelation, and consequently their last chance; and so when they rejected the teaching of God's eternal Spirit it was their last chance, and there was no salvation for them, neither in this world nor in the world to come. Here you have it. Certain characters, Jesus says, there is no forgiveness for them, neither in this world nor in the world to come. My distinguished opponent says that these very characters that Jesus says there is no forgiveness for, they will have a fresh trial of a thousand years after this life is over. I do not believe a word of it, because there is not a word of it true.

Now, I want to follow his speech in the order that he delivered it, and we are going to have some debating now for the next twenty minutes. I am in the lead. I was in the affirmative. The first thing I did was to put Elder Russell in the affirmative. He turned right around and affirmed a proposi

tion instead of replying to my affirmative argument. He is now in the affirmative; the laboring oar is his. I am going to follow in the negative the balance of this speech.

I will be willing, so far as the argument of this proposition is concerned, to leave it with the judgment of these good and intelligent people, for you know that he utterly and absolutely failed to answer those forty or fifty strong Scriptures that I gave you in support of the argument that there would be no chance of salvation after death, for the only chance was confined unto this life. He said he did not deny there is a trial in this present life. Certainly he does not deny that; but why affirm something that God says nothing about? The essence, he says, of the argument is that God has a plan of salvation. I fully agree with him that God has a plan of salvation, and that plan of salvation was given by the Lord Jesus Christ. I showed you in my affirmative argument that Jesus Christ came once into the presence of the people to offer them this plan of salvation, and then went back into the presence of God to intercede for the people, and he is standing there in the presence of God for the people, and if they will come unto God by Him now He is able to save them. (Hebrews 7:25.) "Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them." Mark you, he did not say that he will be in the millennial age, but he is now.

He said nearly all these Scriptures relate to this world. They relate to the plan of salvation that Jesus Christ prepared and offered to the human family, and show that if we do not accept them in this world we will have no chance to accept them in the world to come.

He said that I said the kingdom of God has come; but he said that it had not come in Allegheny, Pennsylvania, his own home. I know that if he is the only one that ever preaches there, it never will come there. But I am going to investigate a little bit and see whether the kingdom of God has come, or not. (Luke 12:32.) Jesus said: "Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom." Not some little flock away down the age, but those people back there that Jesus was talking to on that occasion; that God was going to give them the kingdom of God.

In Mark 9:1, Jesus used this strong language: “And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, that there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power." Elder Russell said it has not come yet. Jesus Christ said there were people standing there that he was then talking to that should not taste death till they had seen the kingdom of God come with power. Then there is one of three things true: The kingdom of God came during the lifetime of the generation that was living when Jesus used that language, or some of them are living till the present time, or Jesus Christ was mistaken about what he said. And, of course, we are all agreed that Jesus Christ was not mistaken about what he said. But was the kingdom of God in existence soon after

that time? I turn your attention to Colossians 1:13, where Pau. says, "Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son." Twenty-five years after Jesus Christ used that language the kingdom of God was in existence here on this earth, and people had been translated into that kingdom, Elder Russell to the contrary notwithstanding.

But my opponent says that Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins, for the sins of the church and also the whole world. He did not tell us where it was, but Jesus Christ tells us that he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ourselves only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Notice carefully that he says Jesus Christ is the propitiation for our sins. He does not say that he will be when he comes again the propitiation for our sins, but he says that he is now-not will be-the propitiation for our sins. Then he admits that the world is called to repentance, but not called to be the bride of Christ. Strange logic, indeed. (Rev. 22:17). "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that is athirst, come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." I thank God that the invitation of the Gospel of Christ stands out just as broad and just as wide as "Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

(Acts 2:38.) "Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 1:47.) "The Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved." If Elder Russell had been there he would have said, “Look here, Peter, you are mistaken about this thing, this Gospel is only to go to a very few, the little flock; you have it wrong when you extend it to everybody and open wide the door of salvation for the whole human family." But he had a little something to say about that "elect class," furnishing me just about texts enough in that speech that I can preach the Gospel to you in this one. I will notice "the elect" class for just a moment. (II. Thessalonians 2:13.) "But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth." Will my opponent answer this questiondoes God elect people unto eternal salvation independent of their wills, of their volition, or independent of anything that they may do in this life, or does he elect them to salvation as the Bible says, through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth?

Then he said that God in the present time is taking the little flock, but he is not taking the world, he is only taking the little flock; that the message is just to the little flock. Well, you know, great men sometimes differ. Paul, a great man, on one side differed very seriously from my distinguished opponent, and other great men on the other side. (Acts 17:30.) "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men everywhere to repent." If Elder Russell had been there, he would have

said: "Paul, you have that thing wrong; Jesus Christ did not send his Gospel to anybody but the little flock, and here you have the cheek to stand before the wicked people of Athens, idolatrous people, and tell them that God commanded all men everywhere to repent."

(Matthew 28:18-20.) "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world." That will remove that argument for all time to come. Jesus Christ did send his Gospel to the whole human family, not merely to this little flock that you are going to hear so much about during this investigation. Jesus Christ said that all authority in heaven and in earth was given to Him, and by virtue of all the authority in heaven and on earth He sent his disciples to teach all nations, every creature of all nations. Elder Russell says that he has only sent them to teach a few, a little flock. There have never been but three sources of power, and they are heaven, earth and hell. By all the power and authority of heaven and earth Jesus sent his disciples to teach all nations, every creature of every nation; and the doctrine that says that this will only be given unto a few and not the whole human family, came from hell, and not from Jesus Christ.

(Mark 16: 15-16.) Jesus said unto them, "Go into all the world," not merely to the little flock, but "go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." Jesus did not put those words in—“little flock;" it is my opponent that does that.

He said also that God hath blinded the people. Admitting for argument's sake for a moment that God hath blinded the people, I want to show you that these folks that are blinded are the very ones that perish. (II. Corinthians 4:3-4.) "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." It is the god of this world, not Jehovah God, that will have blinded the minds of the people, and the people have a right to investigate the Gospel, they have a right to turn from sin, they have a right to judge themselves worthy or unworthy of everlasting life, just as they please; and a man that will not judge himself worthy of everlasting life in this world will not judge himself worthy of everlasting life in the world to come. (Acts 13:46:) "Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you; but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles." Here we have the actual example where people judged themselves unworthy of everlasting life. But he tells us that twelve hundred million heathens are in darkness and that

God will open their eyes. I want to say to you, furthermore, that according to such preaching as he is doing they will remain in darkness; for there is nothing about his preaching to inspire the people of God to carry the glorious light of the Gospel of Jesus Christ unto them.

His doctrine is a doctrine of procrastination. Some one has said that "procrastination is the thief of time." It can be as truly said that "procrastination is the thief of souls"; and I charge it upon him this evening that the doctrine that he is preaching is calculated to make the people procrastinate this matter, to put it off and let the heathen go until a chance after this life.

But how does God propose that their eyes shall be opened? (Acts 26: 18.) "To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me." Jesus Christ appeared to Paul to make an apostle of him to send him far hence unto the Gentiles; not to my opponent's little flock, but far hence unto the Gentiles. What for? To open their eyes. Hold on, Paul, here is a great man down here that says you are wrong about that, that you must not open their eyes; you must go and preach to the little flock. It is not in harmony with the Word of God that you are preaching to them. You must preach to the little flock. But no, Paul went on and opened their eyes. Jesus Christ said, "Open their eyes, to turn them from darkness to the light and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive there forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them that were sanctified by faith which is in me." Here the Gospel is preached to this people that they may hear, so that they might believe it, that they might obey it, and that they might receive forgiveness of sins here in this life, Elder Russell to the contrary notwithstanding.

Furthermore, on this same point of their being blind (Matthew 13:15), Jesus said: "For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them." So they closed their eyes, they stopped their ears; God does not do it; and such preaching as my opponent is doing is not only calculated to keep the eyes of the heathen closed and their ears stopped, but actually it is calculated to cause Christian people here in this land of Gospel, light and liberty, to close their eyes and stop their ears and rest in their imagination about that dreamy state that he talks about after death when there is not one word of it taught in the Word of God.

But he tells us about that "due time." He seems to have a due-bill that is coming due some day for all here. When was that due him? Our Saviour would have all to be saved. Elder Russell says just a few. Paul says all men to be saved, all to come unto the knowledge of the truth. Elder Russell