in that age of the world, referring to paradise as the place where the departed spirits of the righteous dead were, and that was where Lazarus had gone? I thank God for this example.

Thursday Evening, February 27, 1908.

(Chairman, STANLEY E. BOWDLE, Attorney, Cincinnati, Ohio.)

FIFTH PROPOSITION.

The Scriptures clearly teach that immersion in water, "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," of a believing penitent is for, in order to, the remission of sins.

L. S. White, affirmative.

C. T. Russell, negative.

L. S. WHITE'S FIRST SPEECH.

Mr. Chairman, Ladies and Gentlemen:

I esteem it a happy privilege, indeed, to stand before you in defense of the proposition, "The Scriptures clearly teach that immersion in water, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, of a believing penitent, is for or in order to the remission of sins."

The teaching of God's word on this question of baptism has withstood the storm of shot and shell, of the opposers of God's truth, for more than eighteen hundred years; and God's word on this great question, as on all others, will be standing the test of such opposition as it will have on this occasion, at the time that the angel of God stands with one foot on the land and the other on the sea and cries with a loud voice that time shall be no more.

In order that we may understand the precise point at issue, so that there can be no room for caviling, it becomes necessary that I should define the terms of this proposition. You will remember the course of my honorable opponent, two nights ago, in wandering around in his first reply, and then presenting his main points in his second reply, when I had no opportunity to say anything. Now I am going to give him the benefit of all the arguments I have time for in this first speech and trust that he will at least undertake to

reply to them in his first reply, that I can say afterwards what I may have

to say.

Definiton of terms-"Immersion:" By immersion in water I mean what might otherwise be termed baptism-that is, a burial in water of a proper subject in obedience to Jesus Christ.

"In the Name:" By this I mean into the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

"Believing Penitent:" By "believing penitent" I mean a believer in Christ who has repented of his sins.

"For, in Order To:" By this term, "For, in order to," I mean that baptism is a condition of remission of sins as stipulated in the gospel of Jesus Christ.

"Remission of Sins:" By "remission of sins" I simply mean forgiveness of sins. The way this proposition is stated does not require of me that I affirm anything on immersion. The point at issue is as to what baptism is for.

Elder Russell, I understand, practices immersion. I want him to tell this audience, was he baptized by immersion? Does he immerse people when he baptizes them? The point is not as to whether baptism is immersion or not, but what is baptism for? I am affirming that the Scriptures teach that it is in order to the remission of sins.

But we will call your attention unto a few things concerning immersion before we proceed unto the design. Certainly every person desires to be a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, especially when Jesus said, "Come, follow me." Then it is necessary that we follow him in this great question of baptism, but how was Jesus Christ baptized?

Matt. 3:16: "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water, and, lo, the heavens were open unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him." You ask me, how was Jesus baptized? The Bible says, "He went up straightway out of the water." I care very little about any construction that you might put upon the use of the word "straightway." There is one thing certain, you can not go up out of anything without first going down into it. Then, regardless of what construction you might put on it, there is one thing sure, that when you were baptized if you did not go up out of the water you have not been baptized like Christ was baptized.

Matt. 3:11, John the Baptist says: "I indeed baptize you with water." I read this now from the American Revised Version, standard edition, “I indeed baptize you in water." But how did John baptize these people with water? Mark 1:5: "And there went out unto him all the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem and round about Jordan, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins." That is the way John baptized those people, with water; he baptized them in the river Jordan.

Rom. 6:4-5: "Therefore, we are buried with him"-that is, with Christ -"by baptism into death, that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection."

Col. 2:12: "Buried with him"-that is, with Christ-"in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

There is not a six-year-old child in this audience but that knows perfectly well that a person is not buried until he is covered up. The Bible represents people as being buried with Jesus Christ in baptism, then when we were baptized, if we were not buried in that baptism we were not with Jesus Christ in baptism, and it is just as easy to be right as it is to be wrong; and we had just as well be right as to be wrong; then why not do the very thing that everybody would say is right?

Persons thus manifest their faith in the burial and resurrection of Christ. Eph. 1:18-20: "The eyes of your understanding being enlightened that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, and what is the exceeding greatness of his power to usward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places." But how do people believe according to the working of the great power of God? Col. 2:12: "We are buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God who hath raised him from the dead."

Through the faith of what operation of God? Through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. It is faith, then, in the burial and the resurrection of Jesus Christ that you manifest when you are buried with Jesus Christ in baptism and raised from the watery grave, to I walk a new life.

But the word "baptize" is translated from the Greek word baptizo, and we want to call your attention unto the definition of that word as given by standard lexicons. I give you the definition of baptizo by Dr. Thayer:

"First, to dip repeatedly, to immerge, to submerge.

"Second, to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water.

"Third, metaphorically, to overwhelm."

Bagster-Bapto: To dip, to dye. Baptizo: To dip, immerse, to cleanse or purify by washing; to administer the rite of baptism; to baptize.

Bloomfield-Baptizo: To immerse or sink anything in water or other

liquid.

Dunbar-Baptizo: To dip, immerse, submerge, plunge, sink, overwhelm. Ewing-Baptizo: In its primary and radical sense, I cover with water or some other fluid, in whatever manner this is done, whether by immersion or affusion, wholly or partially, permanently or for a moment; and in the passive voice, I am covered with water or some other fluid, in some manner or other.

Green-Bapto: To dip, to dye. Baptizo: To dip, immerse, to cleanse or purify by washing; to administer the rite of baptism; to baptize. Baptisma: Immersion, baptism, ordinance of baptism. (Matt. 3:7; Rom. 6:4.) Baptismos: An act of dipping or immersion; a baptism. (Heb. 6:2.)

Greenfield-Baptizo: To immerse, immerge, submerge, sink; in the New Testament, to wash, perform ablution, cleanse, to immerse, baptize, administer the rite of baptism. Baptisma: What is immersed, hence immersion, baptism, ordinance of baptism. Baptismos: Immersion, baptism; a washing, ablution. Bapto: To dip, plunge, to dye.

Liddell and Scott-Baptizo: To dip in or under water. Baptisma: Baptism, the usual form in New Testament both of John's and of Christian baptism. Baptismos: A dipping in water, ablution. Baptistes: One that dips, a baptizer. Bapto: 1. To dip in water; Latin, immergere. 2. To dip in dye. 3. To draw water by dipping a vessel.

Pickering-Bapto: To dip, to dip under, to plunge. Baptizo: To dip immerse, submerge, plunge, sink, overwhelm. Baptisma: That which is dipped or steeped, immersion, dipping, plunging. In New Testament, the rite of baptism.

Robinson-Baptizo: To immerse, to sink.

But this is enough. I could give you a number more, but I challenge the gentleman to show one standard lexicon in all the world that defines the Greek word baptizo as a word signifying to sprinkle or pour. Will he come unto the issue?

Now we come to the design of baptism. I want to call your attention to the fact that baptism is an expression of faith. Without faith it is impossible to please God. (Heb. 11:6.)

But will faith benefit people unless it is a living, working, trusting faith? Certainly not. (Gal. 5:6.)

"For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth anything nor uncircumcision, but faith which worketh by love."

Second, how

Here I want to ask my able opponent two questions. The Bible speaks of a living and a dead faith. First, what makes faith alive? is the sinner made alive?

(Isa. 53:11.) (Rom. 5:9.)

Justification. We are not justified by any one thing alone. Justified by knowledge. (Acts 13: 38-39.) Justified by Christ. Justified by the blood of Christ. (Rom. 5:1.) Justified by faith. (Jas. 2: 24.) Justified by works and not by faith only. (Tit. 3:7.) Justified by the grace of God. (I. Cor. 6:11.) Justified in the name of the Lord Jesus. (I. Cor. 6:11.) Justified by the Spirit of God.

What are the causes of salvation? The love of God is the moving cause. The blood of Christ is the procuring cause, and faith the appropriating cause. But it must be a faith that works by love. You can never be justified and stand free in the sight of God but by a loving, working and obedient faith. Gal. 3:26-27: "For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ."

How do we become children of God by faith in Christ Jesus? "For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ." That is the way that people become children of God by faith. Their faith leads them to obey the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. Heb. 5:9: "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all that obey him."

The commission, Matt. 28: 18-20. After Jesus arose from the dead, just before he ascended to heaven, he "came and spake unto them," unto his disciples, saying: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye, therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen."

Here we find that all nations are to be taught and the taught are to be baptized.

Mark 16:15-16: "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved, but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Luke 24:46-47: And Jesus "said unto them, Thus it is written and thus it behooved Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem."

Thus we have, in the great commission given by Jesus Christ, the gospel to be preached to all nations, to every creature in all the world. The people are to believe on Christ. They are to repent of their sins, and they are to be baptized. The penitent believer, then, is one who has heard the gospel, and has acepted it, believes on Jesus Christ with all his heart and repented of his sins. Baptism, to such a character, I maintain that the word of God teaches, is in order to the remission of sins. But let us see. The apostle, acting under this great commission, guided by the Spirit of God, preached the gospel unto the Pentecostians, as we read in the second chapter of Acts of the Apostles, and when these people heard the gospel they cried out, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" In the thirty-eighth verse the Holy Spirit guided the apostle Peter to say unto them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." But you say that does not mean "for the remission of sins." Well, if it does not mean for the remission of sins, what does it mean? If Peter, guided by the Spirit of God, did not mean what he said, how are you going to find out what he did mean?

Jesus said (Matt. 26:28), "For this is my blood which is shed for the remission of sins." Did Jesus mean what He said, when he said his blood was shed for the remission of sins?

Luke 3:3: John preached "the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." Just as surely as Jesus Christ shed his blood, looking forward to