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modation for their Government reporter?" Will the right hon. Gentleman be surprised to know that the officers of law in Ireland have submitted to that humiliation to me personally at least 100 times? The officers of the law in Ireland have asked me to give accommodation and protection to the Government reporter on the platform, and on this condition-that if I consented to do so they would entirely withdraw the police from the precincts of the meeting. That has been the practice in Ireland, as I stated on a previous occasion; and I defy any officer to contradict me-in fact, no one would do so. I have always exercised all the influence I have to get Government reporters a seat on the platform, although they did not contend they had a right to it. They knew they had no right to be there; but I always used my influence to get them a seat on the platform; and the officials in Mitchelstown must have known that, wherever I went, my influence has always been exercised to protect the Government reporter and get him a seat; and yet, in face of that, they never asked for this permission from the promoters of the meeting. I believe the argument used was, that there was some uncertainty as to where the platform was to be. There is not a shadow of foundation for the statement. When we passed through the square half an hour before the meeting commenced there was a platform, consisting of two drags from which the horses had been removed, and when we arrived the meeting was largely assembled around. There would be 4,000 or 5,000 persons there, and the drags were full of representatives of the Press and priests, so that it was perfectly obvious where the platforms would be; and if they had adopted the ordinary course, and asked me to accommodate the reporter in the drag, I would have used my best influence to do so. Why did they not do the next best thing? What do they do if they are refused accommodation? They invariably plant the police reporter in the vicinity of the platform before the meeting assembles. We heard a good deal of eloquent talk about the rights of a police reporter. I do not know what right he has, except to occupy the position which he takes up, and not to be molested. That is the right which I have never sought to

deny him; and it is his business and duty to take up his position before the crowd assembled in any great multitude. I have never, in the whole course of my experience of public meetings in Ireland, which is, perhaps, greater than that of any other man in this House, seen an attempt made after a meeting had commenced to rush and fight a passage through the thickest portion of a crowd, in order that the police reporter might get into the centre. Then, I ask, why was this universal practice departed from at Mitchelstown? And I say, so far from the ordinary course being pursued in the case of Mitchelstown, with regard to this delicate question of a police reporter, a totally novel course was adopted, one without precedent in the history of Irish public meetings; a course which, had it been generally adopted, would, unless a miracle had occurred, have infallibly led to disturbance. There were about 8,000 people around the platform; and the crowd was so thick in its vicinity that it would have taken the utmost exertions to get through the meeting. But after the chairman had begun to speak, at the thickest portion of the crowd, and plump in front of the platform, a body of 20 police arrived with a reporter in their midst, and proceeded to force their way through the crowd towards the platform. A noise immediately arose, the people shouldered the police, and turned round, and an altercation arose. Two gentle. men on the platform, jumping down, forced their way through the crowd, and threw themselves between the police and the people, and with their umbrellas beat our men back from the police and prevented all disturbance. And here comes a point of the utmost importance, and which I will prove beyond all yea or nay. It is of the utmost importance, because it is in the beginning of matters like this that the blame lies on one side or the other. This primary disturbance was quelled. Somebody in the waggon suggested I should get up now, and that there would be no danger of trouble. I got up and addressed the meeting for a few minutes, and the police at that moment retired a little, and stood outside the outermost skirt of the crowd, and the meeting became perfectly peaceful and orderly. This is a matter which has been overlooked. A distinct interval occurred during which the row com

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orderly. The Irish Times' correspondent of the Tipperary men. The truth is that
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very few had blackthorns with them. I
can tell you that if the Tipperary men
brought their blackthorns in any num-
bers you would have heard very little of
the 50 police. Of the people around
the police, eight out of every nine had
nothing in their hands but ash plants,
for they never even dreamt of a row.
An ash plant, I may tell you, is a riding
cane. It may cut a man in the face;
but would not knock a man down. I saw
many a fine young fellow knocked down
by the batons of the police, and the few
who had sticks fought hard. And now
as to the injuries received by the police.
It has been said that the police had to
fly for their lives, and had a great many
injuries inflicted on them. Do not be-
lieve it. For every one of the police
injured there were four of the people.
The police reported that 56 of their
number were seriously hurt; but what
does The Standard correspondent say
this morning? He says-

beginning ame lies primary di bodr in t get up conc anger of the

"Then a large body of police came marching up the hill to the aid of their discomfited com

rades."

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You must recollect that up to this moment no blow had been struck or stone thrown; and you must remember this fact that up to this moment and to the last, because I saw him after he had got back to the barrack, no hand was raised or blow struck at Condron the reporter. Nobody had a word against Condrou, no blow was struck at him, and even the little band of 12 police, after the first angry altercation, stood beside our people, and there was no disturbance and no anger between them. I read on from The Irish Times' correspondent, because the paper is an unfriendly

paper

"Mr. Dillon said: Men of Mitchelstown, I ask you to pay no more attention to those men, but let us proceed with this great meeting in a spirit of order and of peace, which will do credit to the men of this district, and will show (slight interruption) to the world that the people of this great country have felt in their hearts the approach of victory which is certain

and soon at hand."

What does The Irish Times' correspon-
dent
go on to describe ?—

The police, as you can see from this,
grossly exaggerated the nature of their
injuries. I watched the progress of the
fight, which, so far as I can guess, lasted

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"The police then marched up, and it became apparent they were determined to carry out

their orders to place Condron in a position

where he could hear.'

"These men [says the correspondent] were, indeed, scarcely in a position to move, so close was the press. The police drew their batons and struck the flanks of the horses severely. They tried to go forward, jumped to the side, reared, and created around them such a clear ance that the police were able to advance, and take up the position in which they formerly stood. Here the passage was blocked again, and they proceeded to force their way, using the muzzles of their rifles."

"In the accounts furnished by the police there was much exaggeration as regards the injured last night. The number of injured given was 54; but the actual list of wounded is

That was the way the struggle com-
menced. At this stage of the proceed
ings, while the police were trying to force
their way on, I saw one stone come
from the outskirts of the crowd, go high
in the air, and drop among the police.
I saw no other stones thrown. In a second
the police were batoning everyone
around them, and men fell beneath the

less than 20, and only one man seriously

hurt.'

time it commenced to the time the police
say with regard to the fight-that from the
ran away, they were advancing regu-
larly into the crowd towards the plat-
form, dispersing the crowd about them.
They were not attacked-they were the
aggressors. From the moment the first
blow was struck to the moment they
broke and fled, they fought their way
through the crowd with clubbed rifles
and with batons, and men seemed to go
down in ranks beneath their blows. The
great body of the crowd. having no-
thing in their hands, dispersed, and
there were at no time more than about
200 engaged with the police; but in a
few minutes, when they saw their friends
treated in this manner, a certain portion
of them got together and stoned the
police, and the police then turned and
fled back to barracks.

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to the most important part of my state- not see them. I asked for the comment with regard to what occurred when manding officer, and was pointed out an the police fled. I am in a position to old gentleman with a grey moustache. be extremely accurate. I first went to a He was like a lunatic, tearing up and carriage where there were five of the down the room in an excited state. I six English ladies, and advised them to stopped him and said "I have come go into shelter. I must say that they here with two priests. We want you to showed very great pluck during the kindly keep the men in barracks for a whole affair. I succeeded in persuading few minutes, and give us a chance of them to go into the priest's house, and clearing the streets. We undertake to then I got two priests who were stand- clear the town," and I impressed on him ing near me to go with me to the that what we wanted was to avoid barrack to see the Resident Magistrate. bloodshed. "No, Sir; no, Sir;" he The square was covered with people, said, "I will do nothing of the sort. and I told them not to follow me, and I My men must form in the streets at left four or five priests to keep them once." I caught hold of him and said from going towards the barrack. Ac- -"For God's sake give a chance before companied by the two priests I walked you send the men out on the street." towards the barrack. The distance" No," said he, "I won't have any dic from the waggonette to the corner tation from you," or something of that of the square is about 200 yards. sort. He spoke to some constables, and When we got to this corner we turned they collared the two priests who were to the right up the street, and the dis- with me, and pitched them out of the tance to the barrack door was exactly barrack; they also laid bands on me, 62 yards. We walked to the barrack and tried to shove me out of the bardoor. There was not a single policeman rack. I succeeded in dodging them, in the street, and the door of the barrack and getting in beside the wall got to the was shut and bolted. I am ready to rear of the police. Then the County swear-and recollect this was only about Inspector and two of the three police three minutes from the time the police passed out of the door, which was open turned and fled-I am ready to swear all this time. I heard a struggle at the that there were not 20 men within 60 door, and saw the police returning, yards of the barrack door. I stood at dragging two men after them. The the barrack door and knocked. I was door was then closed and barred, and right in the line of fire if stones were the firing commenced. I find it difficult thrown. No stone could touch the now to ask English Gentlemen to bebarrack without my seeing it; there was lieve what I am going to tell. I stood no crowd in the street, and up to this near the door and saw these two men no shot was fired. We knocked at the dashed on the floor of the hall, and door, and a voice inside asked what we actually eight or 10 constables stooped wanted. I said "Mr. Dillon and the over these men and beat them with their priests are here," and that we wanted batons while they lay on the floor. I to see the commanding officer, with a called out-"Are you going to murder view of preserving the peace. The the men before my eyes?" and the conbarrack door was then unbarred and stables turned on me savagely, but they opened, and we were admitted. How, did not strike me. One of them said to then, can any hon. Member say that a me-"You ruffian, this is the sort of furious crowd was storming the bar- thing you get up in the country; I'll racks? The door was unbarred and hold you responsible." In a moment I opened. We walked into the hall and saw the flash of steel, and saw that one entered into conversation with the com- of the constables had drawn his bayonet, manding officer, and during this time and was making a lunge with all his the door was left open after us. No force at one of the men on the floor, stone was flung, no crowd collected in when a young officer, who, I am bound the street, for all the time two of the to say, was the only decent man I found three priests stood at the corner of the in the place, caught the constable by square, and kept the people back from the arm and said "No more of that." following me. We found the barrack That I saw with my own eyes. The hall thronged with policemen. If there other constables continued to beat the were any wounded policemen we did two men with their batons; and all the

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time the two men were huddled together upon the floor with their heads under them to protect them from the blows. The firing was going on all the time from the upper windows. The County Inspector again appeared; he seemed to be in a state of demoralization, running up and down like a madman, and seemed to have completely lost his head. I caught hold of this man, and said "For God's sake stop this firing, and give me a chance." I supposed at the time that the people had collected outside the barrack; I could not conceive that men would fire out of the top window unless a crowd were at the doors. A young officer came up just at this moment. The County Inspector would give me no satisfaction; and this young officer, whose name I believe is Knox, the District Inspector of Bansha, came up, and he said "I think Mr. Dillon ought to get a chance. Let us ask him to speak to the people from the top window." I said that I would do so immediately; and I rushed upstairs, thinking all the time that there was a crowd in front; but when I got to the top of the stairs a tumultuous crowd of policemen tumbled out of three or four rooms on the top story, and tumbled downstairs in a wild state of confusion, tumbling me with them. I went to the County Inspector again, and I said to him-"For God's sake, before you do anything further, give me at least a chance. If you won't let me speak from the top window put me out of the door, and I will engage to put the crowd away -at any rate let me try." He refused again, and said he must form his men on the street. At that moment the young officer came up again, and said"Mr. Dillon ought to be allowed to have a chance." The young officer then ordered the doors to be opened himself, and they opened the doors at his command. I suppose some of the policemen were inclined to do so themselves. They unbolted the door, and when the door was unbolted there was nobody outside. I walked out, expecting to see a crowd that would have to be dispersed, and I found nobody; and there were not 10 men within 60 yards of the barrack. I walked straight across the line of fire, and the first sight I saw was a man lying dead, with the roof of his head blown off, 100 yards from the barrack. I would now ask hon. Members to recall

to their minds the astonishing statement of the Chief Secretary for Ireland. The Chief Secretary never saw Mitchelstown, and they did not take the trouble to draw for him a diagram of the place when they were sending him their story. What did he say? He said

"I state deliberately that the firing was not the random firing of men in a panic. It was the deliberate firing of men acting under the instructions of their officers, who told them to fire only on those who were attacking the

barracks."

Now, who was the first man shot dead? The first man killed was a man entirely out of the range of stones, and he must have been deliberately aimed at according to the Chief Secretary. He was standing in the square about 30 yards beyond the corner of the square. That is at least 100 yards from the barracks. That man, whom I saw lying in a pool of blood as I walked across the square, must have been deliberately aimed at. Where did the two other shots, charges of buckshot, go? They lodged in the window opposite the barrack, a second story window. There were a number of children looking on at the proceedings, and one of the shots hit by the edge of the window, and drove the masonry in about the children's ears. The poor nurserymaid who had charge of the children pulled them away, and then fell down in a faint. That was the second of the deliberate shots which the Chief Secretary speaks of; and the marks of other shots are all about the houses opposite the barracks. [Mr. Brunner: Hear, hear!] A great number of shots were fired, and it is my deliberate opinion, from looking at them, that some of the men fired their shots out of revenge for the blows under which they were smarting; and that others fired their shots out of sheer panic, without knowing where they were firing, that they just put their rides to the window, and pulled the triggers without taking aim. Now, as to the alleged attack on the barrack, there is abundant and conclusive evidence to show that no such thing took place. Take, first, the condition of the barrack itself after all was over. How many panes of glass were there in the barracks? There were nine or ten windows, and 160 panes, and out of these 160 panes three panes had one stone through each. I went down the town the following day with my note

book, and I examined the barracks. There is one stone mark in the fanlight of the door, and there are three other panes broken by stones-apparently by stones, for the hole is star-shaped, and you can see that there is only one stone through each pane. There are marks of about eight or nine stones on the stanchions of the barrack front. That shows the whole nature of this savage attack. As to the kicking of the door, that must be an absolute myth, or else it must be owing to the fact that the police, in their hurry to get into the barrack, shut the door before all the police had arrived, because the crowd did not follow them at all. As to that, I have independent witnesses of most unquestionable character. If there was any kicking at the door, it must have-Mr. Turnbull and Professor Hudson been some of the police who were left behind in the rush, and who knocked violently at the door in their terror, and were admitted by their comrades. Here is what a correspondent of The Standard says with regard to the attack upon the barrack, and its condition afterwards

Now that is the statement of The Standard correspondent; and it absolutely and completely bears out the statement that I have been enabled to make upon my own authority, and from my own observation. Well, now I have here, and I am going to read, the evidence of a few independent observers, the only independent observers who have been called at all; because the Government have not called any independent observers, although there were 10 Englishmen and ladies who witnessed the whole thing, and they were by no means all Gladstonians. Some of them were strangers, who came there by accident, and who had no connection whatever with the meeting. There were two gentlemen from London

whom I never heard of before in my life, and whom I may never meet again; and there was also a Mr. Conbrough, a Scotch gentleman, who is, I am informed, a Liberal Unionist. I met him once travelling abroad some years ago, and I met him by the merest accident in Dublin, and he came down with us; but he had no connection whatever with the meeting. I will read you the testimony of Mr. Conbrough, who is, I have heard, a Liberal Unionist. [Opposition cries of "was" and cheers.] -I myself know absolutely nothing of the gentleman's politics. I had not seen him for many years; but he called upon me in Dublin, just as I was going to Mitchelstown, and he said he wanted to study the Irish Question. I said he would probably see something interesting at Mitchelstown, and he came along with us. What does he say about what

Now listen to what The Standard corre-occurred? He says, with regard to the spondent says as to the character of the second attack-and I should mention crowd. In the attack that he had not been able to force his the barracks he saysway through the crowd, and remained on a car on the outskirts close to the police. He says about the second attack

upon

"In the front of the barrack [says The Standard] there are 10 windows. Each contains 16 panes, and of the 160 panes only six are broken."

I myself only saw three. The Standard
correspondent says six. He goes on-
"Some of the broken glass lies outside."
That means that some of the panes
broken were the panes through which
the policeman thrust their muskets.

"Some of the broken glass lies outside, as if the panes had been broken from the inside, while in two or three cases the shattered glass

lies inside."

"When the first blow was struck, there was no possibility of controlling the Tipperary men, and they attacked the police like fury." Well, I admit that some of the Tipperary men fought very hard; but I utterly deny that they struck the first blow. The Standard goes on, and this is a most important point

"A spectator describes the air as thick with sticks; but there is evidence that before the fleeing police had run to the bottom of the square the rancour of their assailants had cooled down, for they made no attempt to approach the barrack."

point, I noticed the police advance again, and "While Mr. Dillon was speaking at this make a tremendous attack upon the horses. The next thing after the battle was over that I saw was the police flying wildly down the square to wards the barrack, the people pursuing, and throwing stones. I did not see the people pursue the police further than the corner of the square. I now crossed to the opposite side of the square-that next the police barrack-and endeavoured to get into some house, as I understood the police would return presently and make a bayonet charge; but all the doors were

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