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meetings to baton and shoot down the Government reporter to be present at a
people.” That is the next step. The meeting, that the leave of the promoters
Irish Government has been invited by of the meeting, whose conduct might
the noble Lord the Member for South subsequently form the subject of judi-
Paddington (Lord Randolph Churchill)cial inquiry, should be asked.
to commit murder, because, as he said, MR. PARNELL: But it was not
the Irish Government is omnipotent. It necessary precedent that the leave of
is omnipotent, like any other murderer, the promoters should be asked. What
because it is able to do it; and even the has been the universal custom-under
noble Lord has to admit that the Go- the administration of the right hon.
vernment can be put on its trial like any Gentleman, too-up to the time of the
other murderer. That is the situation Mitchelstown affair, has been that the
in Ireland. That is the situation which Local Authorities have given notice to
the Government have deliberately con- the promoters of the meeting that they
structed. That is the position as the desired the attendance of a Government
winter approaches, and it will take a reporter on the platform. That is a very
bold man to declare the issue. Now, I different thing from asking permission
wish to turn the attention of the House of the promoters of the meeting; and
for a moment to the question of the what reason has the right hon. Gentle-
affair at Mitchelstown. The Govern- man put forward for that departure
ment pleaded that it was necessary for from the ordinary track, which has re-
them to have a shorthand writer at the sulted in the tragic occurrence at Mit-
meeting I do not traverse that neces. chelstown ? He has put forward no
sity—it is one of the necessities of your reason at all. In the first place, we have
system of governing Ireland that you a custom sanctioned by precedent-by
are compelled to have a Government universal usage-not only by the right
shorthand writer at all public meetings hon. Gentleman himself, but by his
in that country. From the commence. Predecessors in Office also, and that is
ment of the Land Movement in 1879 I that the promoters of a meeting should
have never objected to the presence of a be notified that the Government desire
shorthand writer at them, and the pro- the attendance of a Government re-
moters of all public meetings in Ireland porter on the platform. Well, in this
have offered every accommodation to such case that was neglected. But, having
shorthand writers, and it has grown into neglected this step, they sent the Go-
an established custom, where the pres-vernment reporter to the platform be-
ence of a shorthand writer is desired by fore the meeting commenced. The right
the Government, that the Local Authori- hon. Gentleman says there was no plat-
ties should give notice to the promoters form—that the platform consisted of
of the meeting, that such was the case, waggonettes, which might have been
and in that case every accommodation drawn away. But the platform was
has always been afforded. Now, the there.

Now, the there. The waggonettes, having had right hon. Gentleman when he was the horses taken out of them, were the asked why he did not carry out the sys- platform, and it was known that around tem which was always carried out by his these waggonettes the meeting would Predecessors in this respect, said it was be held, That step was also neglected not for the Government of the day to go on the part of the Government. They hat in hand to persons whom they sus- did not apply, as is the usual case, that pected were about to commit crimes in accommodation should be given on the their speeches and ask them to protect platform to the Government reporter ; the Government reporter. It is not a neither did they secure that the Govern. question of protecting the Government ment reporter should be in the neighreporter, because no Government re- bourhood of the platform in time. They porter has ever been molested in the waited until the meeting was assemdischarge of his duty at any of the bled, and they sent their reporter, surthousand and odd meetings held in that rounded by police, in order to force & country.

way through the closely packed crowd. MR. A. J. BALFOUR: What I said This was a task which it was physically was that I regarded it as a monstrous impossible to accomplish without the emproposition that it should be considered ployment of a great force. The conseto be a necessary preliminary for the quence was that there was great pushing

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and shoving. A third course was open to Act to be read, and without waiting for them--they failed to ask for accommo- tho orders of their officers. The right dation on the platform-they failed to hon. Gentleman the Chief Secretary has send their reporter in time, but they attempted to show that the police fired might have gone round to the rear of the to cover the retreat of their wounded meeting or to the side. Why did they comrades. The only account of wounded choose the densest and thickest part of comrades that can be given relates to the crowd for the entrance of the Go one constable who crawled in some time vernment reporter? Why was this parafter the main body of constables had ticular part of the crowd, surrounded as escaped from the people. If this one it was by horses and carriages, chosen wounded constable was able to crawl to for the way of the Government reporter? the barracks through "a furious mob,” When they found they could not get I think it pretty clear proof that there through, what was the next step? In- was no “ furious mob at all. We stead of sending word oven at the have asked that there should be a sworn eleventh hour to the chairman of the inquiry into this matter, and the request meeting, which might easily have been has been refused. The Government are done, that they desired that a way might determined to cloak the oonduct of the be made for the reporter, they sent a Constabulary just as they are determined large force of men to push their way to ill-treat their political opponents, to through the meeting. Of course, the torture them, to starve them, to kill people resisted being pushed by rifles and them off, to murder them; so they are batons, and resisted, most properly, in my determined that their police shall be alopinion. It would have been more than lowed to murder the people assembled you could have expected from ordinary in lawful meetings. Not only that, but humanity, when they were attacked by the police are to be incited by the manthe rude thrusting of rifles and bayonets ner and matter of their defence set up into their faces, and the blows of batons in the House of Commons by responthat they should not have struck back with sible Government Ministers to repeat the switches and sticks in their hands. these atrocious acts. And so the reign Then came the retreat of the police, who of murder is to be installed—the reign showed themselves to be the cowards of torture in the prisons and the reign they are. [ Cries of Oh, oh!"] Yes, I of murder outside. Instead of consay cowards-[Opposition cheers]-yes, ceding to Ireland the right to manage I repeat, cowards as they are. It was her own affairs you have taken her by cowardly for 50 trained and disciplined the throat, and you are going to try to policemen to fly from the same number strangle her. I wish the right hon.

These are the cowards Gentleman well through his job. I whom you get to serve you in Ireland confess I should not like to be in the by giving them treble the amount of shoes of the man who has entered upon ordinary wage that they would earn by this work with a light heart. He may honest labour to do your dirty work. have a big majority behind

behind him These men did show themselves wretched in this House, but it is difficult to cowards. I should like to see 50 London continue coercion against a nation. policemen running away from 50 civi- If you (the Government) had any lians, or from 500, or from 5,000. I large portion of the people of Ire. suppose the Tipperary peasants are not land on your side, if you were able to so very much superior to the London say that the people were in the wrong people in physical strength as to account and that you were in the right, it might for the discrepancy. But your Royal be different. But you got elected under Irish Constabulary did run away. They false pretences, by false representations ran away and got into the barracks; to the constituencies. You came to Ire. and what happened after the police got land, and you find the people peaceinside their barracks has been graphi- able and law-abiding. What are you cally described by the hon. Member for going to do? You are doing your best East Mayo. They rushed for their to drive her to despair, to prevent and rifles, and fired out of the windows in render useless the exertions of those men their panic upon persons who had not who have been continually preaching to been taking any part in the riot at all. the Irish people the necessity and the They fired without waiting for the Riot | duty of self-restraint and obedience to

of peasants.

the law. [Cries of "Oh, oh!”] Who being newly born in them by the exten-
says "Oh?" Do those hon. Gentlemen sion of the suffrage to the masses of
know what they are talking about? I Ireland will be fully justified by the
say, Sir, that the Government are doing results. In a very short time the right
their best to render useless the exertious hon. Gentleman the Member for Mid
of those who have been continually ex- Lothian (Mr. W. E. Gladstone) will be
horting the Irish people to obedience to able, at the head of a majority of British
the law so as to avoid throwing any stain Members, to do justice to Ireland by
upon their splendid prospects. It is, of giving them that power and right of
course, to your interest that the Irish doing justice for themselves to them-
people should break the law; but I hope selves in a Legislature elected by Irish-
and trust from the bottom of my heart men and of making just laws for her
that they will disregard these incite people.
ments. If there is anything that gives MR. BROOKFIELD (Sussex, Rye)
me uneasiness at the present moment it said, he wished to call the attention of
is not the belief that your cruel system the Government to the desirability of
of coercion will have any effect upon the establishing a Ministry of Agriculture

. hearts and minds of the Irish people- MR. SPEAKER: I do not think that it is not that I believe that this Govern- the hon. Gentleman can connect the subment will effect any lodgment as a real ject of a Minister of Agriculture in any Government in Ireland in a matter where way with the Appropriation Bill

. their Predecessors have so often failed MR. BROOKFIELD said, he underbefore them, but it is because I fear that stood that the discussion of almost any some misguided men either in Ireland subject was allowable as long as it was or in America may be so excited and connected with a Vote included in this exasperated by the cruelties and suffer- Bill. He thought that the salary of ings inflicted on the Irish people that the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster they may be carried away into rebellion was included. by a spirit of retaliation and a spirit of MR. SPEAKER: The remarks of the revenge. If that should happen, Mr. hon. Gentleman have not


connection Speaker, I believe it would put back with any Department. and I desire to take this opportunity of MR. BROOKFIELD said, that, under expressing my opinion-the cause of the circumstances, he would defer his Ireland for many years, perhaps for remarks until some other occasion. longer than the lives of many of us MR. T. P. GILL (Louth, S.) said, he present-and nothing could so help the desired to invite the House to once more Government as returning the same coin direot its attention to the recent occur. to them as they dealt out to us. Nothing rences at Mitchelstown. He thought can so advance the Irish cause in my sufficient stress had not been laid on the judgment as patient endurance of wrong fact that every independent non-Irish and suffering and injustice. The people witness - English and Scotch—of the of Ireland believe that they may have to proceedings at Mitchelstown agreed in endure only for a little while--that this corroborating in substance, the stateGovernment will not always exist, per- ments laid before the House by the haps not for many days. "It will soon hon. Member for East Mayo Mr. come to an end, as other bad Govern- Dillon), to the accuracy of which be ments have done. The Irish people (Mr. T. P. Gill) could testify from perwill, depend upon it, be richly rewarded sonal observation. He had himself seen for their patient endurance in this mat- the police attack the mounted men on ter; and if there be any Irishmen into the outskirts of the meeting, and delibewhose minds the spirit of revenge is rately hammer them with their batons. entering, spurred on by the incitements This was the commencement of the enof the Government, I would earnestly gagement between the people and the ask them to give us a trial—to give the Constabulary. The three English ladies present Constitutional movement of the who had witnessed the whole affair had Irish people a trial—for a few years, signed a statement, in which they exand I am convinced that the result of pressed their belief that if the police that trial will be to show that the confi- had not exceeded their duty in an undence of the great majority of the Irish warrantable manner-having regard to people in Constitutional action which is the peaceableness and goodwill of the




peoplo-the terrible consequences which MR. TUITE (Westmeath, N.) said, resulted would not have ensued. The he desired to call attention to the prostatements of the police, which had secution of 17 persons in Westmeath been repeated in that House, were lies under the Crimes Act. He observed and perjuries ; but he would not appeal that the summonses had been served to the right hon. Gentleman the Chief without any consultation with Dublin Secretary for Ireland to grant an inquiry Castle, and on the same evening the into the matter, because he should con- right hon. and learned Attorney sider it insulting to himself to do so in General for Ireland (Mr. Gibson) had view of the want of humanity and want known nothing about it in that House. of recognition of the common principles For his own part, he considered that of justice shown by the right hon. Gen- that was a reckless way of administertleman throughout the debate.

ing a Coercion Act, and contrary to the MR. C. W. GRAY (Essex, Maldon) promises which they had received from said, it was absolutely necessary that the Government with regard to it. before the House again voted money These men were convicted and sentenced for carrying on the administration of to terms of imprisonment on most inthe country, something should be done sufficient evidence. There in reference to the present condition of stones thrown and no violence towards agriculture.

the police, and Mr. Hayden-the MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! brother of the hon. Member for South Earlior in the day I was asked whe- Leitrim-one of those who had been ther it would be regular to discuss the sentenced to imprisonment, busied himquestion of agriculture on the Appro- self greatly to quiet the people. The priation Bill, and I ruled that that prosecution was a most despotic one. question was outside the scope of that He felt bound to denounce the conduct Bill.

of the Resident Magistrates and the MR. C. W. GRAY said, he was not Constabulary, and expressed a hope that going to raise the question of agricul- in future prosecutions under the Orimes ture. He merely wished to express his Act, no proceedings should be taken opinion that, until circumstances very against accused or suspected persons much altered, the landed interest could unless with the direct sanction and apnot possibly afford to pay the large proval of the Attorney General for sums of money it had been paying in Ireland.

MR. HAYDEN (Leitrim, S.) said, MR. T. E. ELLIS (Merionethshire) that the defendants had been sentenced said, he rose to appeal to the right hon. to three months' imprisonment for what Gentleman the Chief Secretary for Ire-was described as resisting the police at land to grant a judicial inquiry into an eviction. It was admitted that there the deplorable events which had taken was no disturbance; and if so heavy a place at Mitchelstown. He also wished sentence was passed in so trilling a case, to endorse the evidence given on the what would be done when some really previous night by the hon. Member for serious offence was committed under the East Mayo (Mr. Dillon) with regard to Coercion Act ? That, however, was not those events. When the hon. Member everything, for the defendants would for East Mayo was addressing that meet- not have been convicted at all if the ing he was addressing as orderly a magistrates had not disregarded the meeting as he himself had ever seen in only unbiased evidence, and acted on England or Wales, until the police that of perjured witnesses. The law marched up and batoned the horses of would be brought into still greater the farmers. The actions and words of contempt and disrespect by the despotic the right hon. Gentleman the Chief action of the Government. It would Secretary and of the Irish Government make the people stand more closely and were not such as were likely to tond in firmly together in defence of their rights the direction of making the two nations and liberties, and landlords would have a united people, but were more likely to greater difficulty in securing their rack burn into the minds of the people of rents. Ireland the conviction that they could MR. HANDEL COSSHAM (Bristol, get neither truth, justice, nor fair play E.) said, he wished to protest against from the English Governinent.

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the right hon. Gentleman the Chief Se- to proceed with that provision at the precretary for Ireland and the noble Lord sent time, before the Local Authorities the Member for South Paddington (Lord had had time to consider the question. Randolph Churchill) on the previous

Question put, and agreed to. evening with reference to the powers of the Executive Government, and that the Bill considered in Committee, and repeople existed for the Government and ported, with an Amendment; as amended, not the Government for the people. He considered; read the third time, and feared it would turn out that the passed. police were the cause of the riots at Mitchelstown. The firing upon the

ADJOURNMENT. people could not be justified, and the Motion made, and Question proposed, responsibility for loss of blood must “That this House, at its rising, do adrest upon the Irish Government. Great journ till Friday next at a quarter to injustice was often done in the name of Two o'clock."-(Mr. W. H. Smith.) law, and although he did not care about introducing sacred subjects into the dis

Colonel NOLAN (Galway, N.) said, cussion of the House, he reminded them that he misunderstood the right hon. that the founder of Christianity was Gentleman's Motion. Anyhow, it was murdered in the name of the law. now too late for him (Colonel Nolan) to

MR. J. F. X. O'BRIEN (Mayo, S.) proceed with his Tram and Claremorris said, he thought there was no doubt that Railway Bill. Between the Government the object of the police at Mitchelstown and his hon. Friend (Mr. Biggar) they

to provoke and exasperate the had destroyed his Bill, and he was now people. If the people were brutally compelled to give way. treated by the police he feared there

Question put, and agreed to. would be reprisals on the part of the people. He supposed this was the be- House at its rising to adjourn till ginning of that 20 years of firm govern- Friday. ment which Lord Salisbury thought all

Motion made, and Question, "That that was required. Of course the right this House do now adjourn,"—(Ur. hon. Gentleman the Chief Secretary for Jackson)-put, and agreed to. Ireland might have made up his mind to carry out that 20 years of firm govern

House adjourned at twenty minutes ment, but he doubted whether the

after Eight o'clock till Friday. people of this country would give the right hon. Gentleman rope enough to


do so.


Question put, and agreed to.
Bill read the third time, and passed.

Wednesday, 14th September, 1887.


BILL.-[BILL 361.]

MINUTES.]-Public Bills- Second Reading(Mr. Ritchie, Mr. Jack son, Mr. Long.) Committee negatived Third Reading - Con

solidated Fund (Appropriation); Local

Authorities (Expanses) (270), and passed. Order for Committee read.

Motion made, and Question proposed, CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND)That Mr. Speaker do now leave the FATAL CONFLICT WITH MOON Chair.”—(Mr. Ritchie.)




QUESTION. OBSERVATIONS. (Tower Hamlets, St. George's) said, that LORD FITZGERALD, pursuant to in Committee, he proposed to move to Notice, rose to ask Her Majesty's Gostrike out that part of the Bill which vernment, Whether they will take into referred to the expenses of the Inspec- consideration the claims on the nation tors in connection with local inquiries. of the widow and children of Head ConHe did not think that it would be wise stable Whelehan, who so recently met

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