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for the year.
sufforing in health will be adopted; but the present state of the hop industry, I will make every effort to see that no and to the general condition of agriculperson in prison suffers in health. ture ?
MR. DILLON (Mayo, E.): In view MR. SPEAKER: I do not think that of the fact that prisoners are systemati- any such question as the condition of cally starved under the ordinary Rules, agriculture or of the hop industry could will the right hon. Gentleman see that properly be raised on the Consolidated some relaxation is made ?
Fund (Appropriation) Bill. There must [No reply.]
be some connection between the matter
and the appropriation of expenditure CRIME AND OUTRAGE (IRELAND)
ATTACK ON THE POLICE AT BALLY.
ORDERS OF TIE DAY.
CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPRO. the Chief Secretary to the Lord Lieutenant of Ireland, Whether it was a fact,
PRIATION) BILL. as reported in the morning papers, that (Mr. Courtney, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer, in consequence of a public-house brawl
Mr. Jackson.) which took place last night at Bally
THIRD READING. poreen the police intervened and sub.
Order for Third Reading read. sequently fired on the people; and whether it was a fact that they fired;
Motion made, and Question proposed, and, if so, for what reason this further
" That the Bill be now read the third
CRIMINAL LAW AND PROCEDURE
(IRELAND) ACT, 1887-PROCLAMA.
TION OF THE MEETING AT BALLY. that the police fired; but whether, under the circumstances, it is a fact that
COREE, NEAR ENNIS. they fired on the people I leave the House to judge. I will simply state the MR. COX (Clare, E.) said, he wished facts. An attack was made at Bally- to draw the attention of the House poreen on a patrol of two policemen by to the proclamation of the Ballycoree nine men. One of the police was felled meeting.
meeting. The right hon. Gentleman to the ground by the blow of a stone the Chief Secretary for Ireland (Mr. which was thrown at him by a man who A. J. Balfour) and the right hon. and was some 10 yards distant. This man and learned Gentleman the Attorney Geneanother ran at the constable, who was ral for Ireland (Mr. Gibson) had said, lying on the ground, with the apparent with a good deal of emphasis, that they intention of kicking him while down. were justified in proclaiming the meetThe constable fired two revolver shots ing, because notices appeared in the at them, when they all ran away except streets of Ennis calling on the people to one (Baldwin), who was arrested by the remember Allen, Larkin, and O'Brien. second policeman.
He (Mr. Cox) would ask the right hon. DR. TANNER: This is a telegraphic Gentleman the Chief Secretary was he despatch. How does it come to pass aware of the fact that last November, that the right hon. Gentleman is able when the present Government was in to give such accurate information upon Office, one of the greatest meetings held certain Questions, while he declines to in Clare, and perhaps in the South of give us any information
others ? Ireland, was held in Ennis for the purMR. SPEAKER: Order, order!
pose of unveiling a monument to the
Manchester Martyrs; that it was sum, ORDER THE CONDITION OF
moned by placard; that it was attended AGRICULTURE.
by at least 30,000 people with bands and MR. BROOKFIELD (Sussex, Rye) banners; that Mr. John O'Leary, an asked Mr. Speaker, as a point of ex-Fenian prisoner, and other extreme Order, Whether it would be competent politicians in Ireland addressed the for him, on the Consolidated Fund meeting, and the Government did not (Appropriation) Bill, to call attention to think it right or necessary, considering
the condition of the county, to proclaim of any Government official in Ireland to or suppress that meeting, although, ac- receive praise from an Irish Nationalist, cording to the cooked statistics got up yet he Mr. Cox) considered he would for the purposes of the right hon. Gen- not be doing his duty if he did not detleman, the county was in a more dis- clare his firm conviction to be that the turbed condition than now? If the Go-streets of Ennis would have run red vernment could justify the proclamation with blood that Sunday only for Colonel of the Ballycoree meeting by the appear. Turner, R.M., and the County Inspector, ance of a notice asking the people to who were the two officers in charge. remember Allen, Larkin, and O'Brien, Colonel Turner since he had come to why did they not suppress the meeting Clare had exeroised his duty with a firm specially convened to do honour to those hand; but he had shown the people also martyrs? The people of Ireland be- that he was not going to resort to the lieved that the reason of the Govern brutality which characterized other polico ment in not proclaiming the meeting officers in Ireland. But what he (Mr. was, by bringing police and military Cox) wanted to do was to call the atteninto Ennis, to try and provoke the people tion of the House to the conduct of a to crime. It was only by the people junior officer and a constable.
He saw of Ireland resorting to crime and out with his own eyes—while he was standrage that the present Government could | ing at his hotel door—a party of Infantry continue in Office, or justify themselves come down the street, and the people, as before the people of England. The they invariably do, cheered them loudly. efforts of the Irish Members would be The soldiers were followed by a force of directed during the coming winter to police, who were groaned at by the trying to prevent the people from fall. people on the pathway, for they had a ing into the net spread for them by the perfect right to groan at them, considerright hor
Gentleman the Chief Secre. ing the treatment they received at their tary to the Lord Lieutenant. There was hands. There was no one standing in another reason for proclaiming the meets the streets, and no kind of obstruction ing. It was announced that his hon. was offered to the police; but a young Friend the Member for Wednesbury officer, hearing the groaning, left the (Mr. Philip Stanhope) would speak at ranks and stepped two yards out of his the meeting, and this invasion of Ire way to get on the pavement and to shove land by English Members was filling an inoffensive man off into the road. A the Government with dread. The Go- sub-constable, taking the cue from his verument could not prevent Englishmen superior officer, immediately took hold from going to Ireland and seeing with of the man by the back of the neck and their own eyes the real condition of the arrested him on the spot. The man was people. The right hon. Gentleman had being marched off in the midst of the reason to fear the English invasion of police when he (Mr. Cox) jumped off a Ireland more than the threatened Fenian car and threatened that if the man were invasion of some years ago. For every not immediately released he would take meeting in Clare that the Chief Secre- the parties concerned before the County tary proclaimed they would hold not one Inspector. Getting alarmed at this, the meeting, but a dozen meeting: if neces- sub-constable let the man go and slunk sary. The noble Lord the Member for back to his place. Had he (Mr. Cox) South Paddington (Lord Randolph not been there, and had he not, so to Churchill), speaking last night, said speak, arrested the police officer, this the Government had every reason to man would have been marched off to be satisfied at the result of the Ennis prison, would have been brought before meeting. He (Mr. Cox) wished thom a magistrate, and, no doubt, bavo got joy of their satisfaction; and, speaking two or three months imprisonment on behalf of the people of Clare, he for assaulting the police.
That was could tell them that they were satisfied the sort of police law which they bad also, for they held three meetings in- to contend with in Ireland, and he bestead of one.
So far as the general lieved that the police had secret orders conduct of the police was concerned he from Dublin to provoke the people had nothing to complain of; but he did as much as possible. With regard to not thank the rank and file for that, and the melancholy occurrence that had though it might not be to the advantage taken place in Clare during the past
few days, he wished to express his would flourish in the county. It was
FISHERY BOARD (SCOTLAND) AP to say that much of a deserving officer,
POINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS TO there were other features of the Moon
VACANCIES.- OBSERVATIONS. lighting outrage which were very sus.
MR. HUNTER Aberdeen, N.) said, picious, and deserved explanation. When this being the last opportunity which the truth of that outrage came to be the Scotch Members would have of sayknown it would be discovered that tho ing anything to the Scotch Department unfortunate dupes of Moonlightors were before the close of the Session, and as not so much to blame-though he could very important appointments to vacannot deny that they had the blood of the cies in the Scotch Fishery Board were unfortunate Head Constable on their to be made in the course of the autumo, heads-as others behind the scenes. he must invite the attention of the right There was a notorious character in Clare hon. and learned Lord Advocate (Mr. --another Head Constable-- Head Con- J. H. A. Macdonald) to the representastable Maurice O'Halloran-who dif- tions which had been made to the Go. fered very widely from the man that vernment by the Scottish fishermen was dead, and it might be considered a through their Representatives in Parheartless and bloodthirsty thing for him liament. The fishermen throughout the (Mr. Cox) to say that if the man had whole of Scotland were agreed on one met the fate of Head Constable Whele thing-namely, that the constitution of han he would not stand up in his place the Scotch Fishery Board was most unin the House to say one word of regret satisfactory. The members of the Board for bis death. It was well known in were so constituted as to give an undue Clare that this man O'Halloran was preference-if he might use the ex. travelling night and day out of uniform pression-to the fresh water fisheries. giving blood money and promoting and At all events, it was so constituted as to encouraging outrage and crime through. | lead to the neglect of the sea fisheries; out the length and breadth of the county, and there was not, ho believed, a memHis conduct was recently brought under ber of that Board who had any practhe notice of this House, and it was tical acquaintance with the sea and proved that he wrote a letter in his (Mr. herring fisheries. Now, as these apCox's) name sending £10 to a man for pointments were to be made this year, the purpose of promoting and concocting it was most important that whoever the outrages in Clare. The statement in Government might choose for member. The Standard needed some explanation ship of the Board should be persons -namely, that the Constabulary were practically acquainted with the sea fishwarned by an anonymous letter that an ings, and particularly with the herring organized attack was to be made on fishing. The fishermen had made reSexton's house; and he believed that if presentations to the Government to the the truth was ever known it would be effect that some
should be found that these unfortunate Moon- adopted to ascertain their opinions with lighters at Lisdoonvarna were but the regard to the persons who ought to be dupes of this man and of others. appointed. This was not Wherover O'Halloran had gone his which he thought that representation footsteps had been dogged by crime was of the first consequence, but it was and outrage ; and so long as that man a case in which efficiency was of the was allowed to go about Clare crime first consequence; and he trusted the
a case in
Government would give their best at other matter that greatly affoeted a portention to securing some person-ho did tion of his own constituents-it was the not say whether he should be a fisher action of the Scotch Fishery Board in man or a curer-but, at all events, some regard to trawling. Somo time ago the person who was practically acquainted Board prohibited trawling within cerwith sea and herring fishing. He hoped tain extremely narrow limits-namely, also the Government would, during tho in Aberdeen Bay. The people in the Recess, take into their consideration the locality desired that beam-trawling advisability of amending the Act under should be prohibited within three miles which the Scotch Fishery Board was of the shore; and, if that were done, he appointed, so that greater satisfaction believed that would not seriously intermight be given to the fishermen of fere with legitimate trawling operations. Scotland. There was another point to It was the unanimous opinion of the which he wished the Government to fishermen in Abordeen that during the give their attention during the Recess. time trawling was prohibited in the bay Recently a Paper was sent round to hon. the white fishing very materially imMembers, giving particulars with regard proved. But now the Government, for to the mussel beds round the coast of reasons best known to themselves, had Scotland. He found those beds might withdrawn that prohibition of trawling. be divided into three categories --(1) He understood that the right hon. and those which belonged to the Crown ; learned Lord Advocate was to give a state(2) those which were alleged to belong ment of the reasons which had influenced to private individuals, but for the use the Fishery Board in withdrawing this of which no charge was made; and (3) | prohibition ; but he did not think the those which were alleged to belong to Paper had as yet been published. He private individuals, and for which a would invite the earnest attention of the charge was made. What he submitted right hon. and learned Lord Advocate was this that where mussel beds were to this point--that the fishermen along established by the industry of any the whole coast of Scotland were unaniperson, it was reasonable that he should mously of opinion that beam-trawling have remuneration for the industry should be prohibited within the three which he had employed upon them; mile limit. The Scotch Fishery Board but where mussel beds werə the gift of had power under the Statute to make Nature, it was most unreasonable and that prohibition, and he invited them unfair that any person should, under at the earliest possible moment to carry any pretext whatever, be allowed to it into practice. There was only one impose a tax for the use of those beds. other point to which he wished to invite The total amount of money received for the attention of the Government; but it these beds was very small; and what was a matter of great importance in the he would suggest was that the Govern- present position of the herring fishery ment should consider whether they of Scotland. It appeared that for some might not adopt some arrangement by years past the price that had been paid which compensation might be given to for Scotch herrings exported to the Conthose proprietors who could prove that tinent had been very seriously reduced. they were entitled to compensation, and He believed that the curer had not by which all the mussel beds on the only not been making money, but had coast of Scotland should be taken under actually been losing it, and the fisherthe control of the Crown. He made men had also been losing money. There that suggestion because he anticipated could be little doubt that the falling off that the Crown would grant the use of in the demand for Scotch herrings was, the beds or the produce of the beds on at all oyents, partially due to the fact reasonable terms, and because, also, the that a great many herrings had been Crown would be able to protect the beds caught in an immature condition, and in from the injurious action of individuals. that condition exported to the Continent, It was desirable that the beds should thus diminishing the prestige of the be preserved where it could be done Scotch herrings. The fishermen themwith advantage, and he hoped the Go- selves desired that a close time should vernment would give their earnest atten- bo adopted in regard to herring catching tion to the matter during the Rocess. for exportation. The fishermen recog. He wished, also, to call attention to an nized that this could not effectually be
done by the Government alone; but they to the Fishery Board the control of the invited the Scotch Fishery Board in salmon fishings, now so badly exercised connection with the Foreign Office to by the Crown Land Commissioners. A tako measures to procure a general Con large revenue was now collected in Kinvention with foreign Powers, by which cardineshire from the sea salmon fish. a close time should be made. The atings, and, as past experience showed, tention of the Board ought also to be very indifferently collected, but would directed to another point in connection be carefully and well carried out by the with a subject brought before the House fishery officers of the Fishery Board. -namely, the Railway Traffic Bill. He He would also ask the Lord Advocate observed a statement the other day by to bring to notice the necessity of im. a fisherman at a meeting at Abordeen proving the fishery harbours, for upon who had been fishing from Austruther those improvements depended the extenthat the cost of transit of the fish by sion of the Scotch fisheries. railway for the past two years to certain pointment to the Fishery Board of a markets bad exceeded the amount rea- skilled engineer, on a salary, instead of lized by the salo of the fish when they one remunerated by fees, was a mucharrived at their destination. He need needed change. All these changes not point out that in these circumstances would be brought forward at the bethe railway rates were entirely prohibi- ginning of next Session, and the action tive, and were fatal to the development taken thereon inquired into. of the fishing industry. Of course, this THE LORD ADVOCATE (Mr. J. H. was a question that was a large one, A. MACDONALD) (Edinburgh and St. Anand he did not accuse the Railway Com. drew's Universities): The points which panies entirely of the blame; but, at the my hon, and learned Friend the Member same time, he thought it was a matter for North Aberdeen (Mr. Hunter) has to which the attention of the Scotch brought forward are before the Scotch Fishery Board should be directed in Office at the present moment; and the order to obtain cheaper transit. It was opinions which he and other Scotch also worthy of consideration, having Members have at various times expressed regard to the food supply of large towns, upon it will receive, and are receiving, whether the Government should not in. our best attention. My hon. and learned sist upon a special rate for fish carriage. Friend referred to five points. The first If a low rate of carriage for fish were question, of the Fishery Board, I think adopted the railways would recoup them it must be plain to anyone that it is selves by the increased quantity that highly desirable there should be a re. would be sent over their lines. He in- presentation on the Board which would vited the attention of the Government be satisfactory to the fishing community during the Recess to these points; and themselves, as giving them confidence he trusted that before Parliament had that there was someone on the Board again met something effectual would who thoroughly understood their wants have been done for an industry which, and requirements. I may say that that at the present moment, was seriously matter has been fully considered; but, as languishing, and which required the I pointed out before, there may be very immediate attention of the Scotch De- great difficulty, possibly, in obtaining partment.
proper representatives of the fishermen GENERAL Siu GEORGE BALFOUR among the fishermen themselves. It (Kincardine) said, he wished to endorse may not be easy to obtain fishermen of and confirm all that his hon. and learned sufficient experience who can afford to Friend the Member for North Aberdeen lose the necessary amount of time to (Mr. Hunter) had said. He urged the discharge the duties of an unpaid office. right hon. and learned Lord Advocate But we do hope that we shall be able to to bring the matters referred to before find someone who, if not altogether & the attention of the Secretary for Scot- practical fisherman, should be a person land. He desired also to say that he whom the fishermen will be satisfied believed it would be highly beneficial it will efficiently represent them on the the mussel beds in his neighbouring Board. The question of mussel beds is county were placed under the charge of one of great importance, and I may say the Fishery Board. He was strongly that every Scotch Member will recognize convinced of the advantage of entrusting that it is also a question of great diffi