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Bill; consideration of Lords' Reasons, follow the usual course, if there is any and consequential Amendments” in wish on the part of the hon. Member regard to the engagement given yester- that they should not be taken to-night. day by the First Lord of the Treasury, I am entirely in the hands of the House. I wish to ask him whether the Govern- MR, SEXTON: With reference to ment have considered the unanimous the statement of the hon. Member for Resolution of the Trades Union Congress Northampton, I beg to give Notice that protesting against the excision of the whon Order 23 is reached I shall move Irish Wages Clause as depriving the that the Lords' Reasons be circulated Irish working people of their rights; before their Amendments be considered. what is the result of that consideration; What course will the Government take and whether, as the Bill came down with respect to that Motion ? from the Lords only yesterday, and as MR. W. H. SMITH: It rests with the Lords' Reasons have not yet been tho hon. Member in charge of the Bill circulated amongst Members, the right to say what course he would desire to hon. Gentleman will cause the Reasons be taken. to be printed and put down for considera- MR. BRADLAUGH: I can only say tion on Monday ?

that the course of the Bill in this House THE FIRST LORD (Mr. W. H. SMITH) has been so harmonious that I only wish (Strand, Westminster): Sir, the Go to do what is entirely in accordance with vernment have, undoubtedly, considered the wishes of the House. I do not want the Resolution to which the hon. Gen- to force on a discussion on Reasons tluman has called my attention, and which are not printed. If it is thought which was communicated to me by tele- better to take the Bill on Monday I have graph; but I must point out that the no objection. Government are without any power to Mr. SPEAKER said, there was no take any action whatever in the matter. reason why the Lords' Reasons should The decision of the House of Lords is not be printed at once, if the hon. Memone which it is not in their power, in ber for West Belfast would move that the slightest degree, to contravene. It it be done. rests with the House, as a House, to MR. SEXTON moved, "That the determine whether they will insist upon Lords' Reasons be printed, and that the Amendments to the Bill which were they be considered on Monday.” inserted in this House; and, in that

Motion agreed to. event, if they do so insist the Bill is lost, under the Rules and Regulations which LAW AND JUSTICE - THE MAGIS. guide the practice of Parliament. It is

TRACY- THE DARTMOUTH MAGIS. for the hon. Gentleman in charge of the

TRATES. Bill to say what course he proposes to take.

MR. CLANCY (Dublin Co., N.) asked MR. SEXTON: I wish to ask the the Secretary of State for the Home Dehon. Member for Northampton, who is partment, Whether he could now make in charge of the Bill, what are his in- any statement as to the intention of tentions with regard to it, and with the Lord Chancellor with respect to the regard to the circulation of the Lords' two Dartmouth magistrates who had Amendments ?

been guilty.of misconduct on the pubMR. BRADLAUGH (Northampton): lic highway? I, of course, extremely regret that the THE SECRETARY OF STATE (Mr. Lords have thought it their right or MATTHEWS) (Birmingham, E.), in reply, their duty to strike out two clauses of said, that the Lord Chancellor's Secrethe Bill; but it seems to me, that even as tary had informed him that the Lord it stands, the Bill is a most valuable Bill, Chancellor was making inquiries as to and I dare not risk its loss, though I the facts, and that the matter was still quite understand the feeling of the hun. under consideration. Member for West Belfast. It will, therefore, be my duty to move that this COAL MINES, &c. REGULATION BILL. House do not insist upon disagreement In reply to Mr. ARTHUR O'Connor with the Lords. Of course, with refer- (Donegal, E.), ence to the question of the circulation THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREAof the Lords' Reasons, the matter should SURY (Mr. W. H. SMITH) (Strand,

Westminster) said, he expected this Bill Patrick Cooper, to which his attention would come down from the Lords that had been already called. The man had day, and in that event the Amendmeuts died in consequence of injuries received introduced by the Lords would be in the service of the Queen, and his printed and taken into consideration on widow, who had seven children dependMonday.

ing on her, was now in great need in

Belfast. A vote of £22,500 had been CRIMINAL LAW AND PROCEDURE taken for compassionate allowances for

(IRELAND) ACT-THE PROCLAIMED the widows of officers; but the noble MEETING IN CLARE.-WITHDRAWAL Lord told the House that he had no OF RESOLUTION.

power to give a penny by way of comMR. GEDGE (Stockport): It may be passionate allowance to the widows and

orphans of the men. He begged to couvenient to the House if I now state

move the reduction of the Vote by the course I propose to take with regard to the Resolution of which I have given

£1,000. Notice, on the subject of the Ballycore Amendment proposed, to leave out meeting on Sunday last. In consequence £906,800," and insert £905,800.of the attacks made upon the Govera-1-(Mr. Sexton.) ment in regard to their conduct on that

Question proposed, “That £906,800' occasion, and in view of the approaching stand part of the Resolution.” termination of the Session, I thought it better that their hands should be

THE FIRST LORD OF THE ADMI. strengthened in the administration of RALTY (Lord GEORGE HAMILTON) the law in Ireland by a definite Resolu- (Middlesex, Ealing) said, that the hon. tion approving of their conduct, rather Member appeared to receive with some than that an impromptu discussion, pro- incredulity his statement that he had bably abortive, should arise on a Motion no option whatever in the matter. He for the adjournment of the House; and, would read the Regulations on the subtherefore, I gave Notice of the Resolu-ject. The noble Lord then read the tion, which I intended to move as soon Regulations, from which it appeared as I could obtain a proper opportunity that in every case it was necessary to Now, however, circumstances have al- show that the illness of which the man tered, because formal Notice has been had died was directly traceable to ingiven that the right hon. Gentleman juries received while in the Service, and the Member for Derby (Sir William he also read medical certificates to the Harcourt) intends, on Monday next, effect that Cooper's death was not the to raise the question in a proper result of such injuries. The widow and form upon the second reading of the her children, therefore, were not enAppropriation Bill; and, therefore, as titled to pension or gratuity. But there I have doubt whatever that was a provision made for the children the manner in which the right hon. of such poor persons, and Mrs. Cooper Gentleman the Member for Derby will having mado application that two of introduce the subject to the House will her daughters should be educated out be far more beneficial to the Government of the naval funds, her request was than any words of mine could be, I will acceded to. Her third son was also withdraw my Motion.

eligible for Greenwich School, and if he

passed the examination, he would take ORDER OF THE DAY. care that the boy should be admitted.

Amendment, by leave withdraren.

Resolution agreed to.
Resolutions (8th September] reported.

Resolutions Seven, Eight, Nine, and First Five Resolutions agreed to.

Ten agreed to. Sixth Resolution read a second time. Eleventh Resolution read a second Me. SEXTON (Belfast, W.) said, he

time. hoped the noble Lord the First Lord of MR. CONYBEARE (Cornwall, Cam. the Admiralty (Lord George Hamilton) borne), in moving to reduce the Vote by would reconsider the case of the widow £100, said, he desired to call attention of a seaman of the Royal Navy named to the dismissal of a man from the




Hallamshire Volunteer Battalion. The I latter, whilst “God save the Queen" hon. Member, in a lengthy and disjointed | was being played, requested the man to speech, read a number of letters, news. uncover, as a member of Her Majesty's paper extracts, &c., placing the case of Forces. The man declined, saying he the ex-volunteer before the House. did not believe in anyone being his From these it appeared that on the superior-that he was a Republican and occasion of a Jubilee demonstration in a Socialist. When he was brought beSheffield, the man did not remove his fore the commanding officer, he at first helmet when “God save the Queen denied that the occurrence had taken was being played, as the rest of the place, and then admitted that the evi. regiment did, and when asked to do so dence of the sergeant was true. That by the colour-sergeant, replied that he being so, the commanding officer rightly

a Republican. According to the considered it a gross case of insubordi. man's version the colour-sergeant's re- nation. This decision was come to and quest was accompanied by an oath, but the man was punished, not because he this the latter denied. The matter was as a Republican, but because he combrought to the notice of the command-mitted an aot of insubordination and reing officer, who dismissed the man from fused to obey the orders of his superior, the battalion for insubordination, and an offence for which any member of Her afterwards caused him to be summoned Majesty's Forces was liable to be disfor 30s., the amount of the capitation missed, and for which he deserved to be grant. After looking into the circum- punished. stances of the dismissal the magistrates Question put, and agreed to. decided in favour of the regiment, and

Resolution agreed to. made an order for the payment of the money. He (Mr. Conybeare) contended

Subsequent Resolutions agreed to. that this man had been dismissed and WAYS AND MEANS.-REPORT. treated in this fashion entirely because CONSOLIDATED FUND (APPROPRIAof his political opinions, and asked the right hon. Gentleman the Secretary of

TION) BILL. State for War (Mr. E. Stanhope) whe

Resolution [8th September reported. ther, if he (Mr. Conybeare) professed IRELAND-GRANT OF A CITY himself a Republican, the right hon.

CHARTER TO BELFAST. Gentleman would assent to his removal MR. SEXTON (Belfast, W.) said, he from the corps to which he belonged ? wished to ask the First Lord of the If a man was to be turned out of a Treasury, If the Government had yet Volunteer Corps for such paltry reasons come to a conclusion on the question of it would have a very bad effect upon granting a City Charter to Belfast? The the Volunteer movement. Feelings of Government had already received eviloyalty were not likely to be inspired in dence of the undoubted claims of Belfast the minds of the people of this country to the title of City.

prosecuted and THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREAmade martyrs of.

SURY (Mr. W. H. SMITH) (Strand, Amendment proposed to leave out Westminster) said, no doubt the hon. " £655,000,” and insert " £654,900."- Gentleman was perfectly right as to the (Mr. Conybeare.)

claims of Belfast to a Charter of ConstiQuestion proposed, "That' £655,000'dred difficulties in the way of granting

tution as a City, but there were a hubstand part of the Resolution."

it. No decision had yet been arrived at; THE SECRETARY OF STATE FOR but he would take care that the matter WAR (Mr. E. STANHOPE) (Lincolnshire, was pushed forward as speedily as posHorncastle) said, he thought the Volun- sible. teer was singularly unfortunate in his MR. SEXTON: Will the Government advocate in the House of Commons. arrive at a decision before the Session This man was dismissed for insubordi-ends? nation and using improper language, MR. W. H. SMITH: I am afraid not. and for nothing else. He (Mr. E. Stan

Resolution agreed to. hope) had before him the report of the commanding officer, and the joint state- Bill to apply a sum out of the Consolidated

Ordered, That leavo be given to bring in a ment of two sergeants. One of the Fund to the service of the year ending on the

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37 Sale of Intoxicating Liquor {SEPTEMBER 9, 1887} on Sunday (Ireland) Bill. 38 thirty-first day of March, one thousand eight that House for the people. Though hundred and eighty-eight, and to appropriate the present Irish representation was ment, and that Mr. Courtney, Mr. Chancellor largely composed of men who were teeof the Exchequer, and Mr. Jackson do prepara totallers, and desirous of promoting temand bring it in.

perance, they were against the continuBill presented, and read the first time.

ance of this Bill, because it had failed in EXPIRING LAWS CONTINUANCE BILL. for some years past of the Sunday

its object. The experience they had had (Mr. Jackson, Mr. Chancellor of the

Closing Act showed that the objects of Exchequer.)

the promoters had not been obtained, [BILL 363.] SECOND READING. and that the opposition to the continuOrder for Second Reading read. ance of the Bill was fully justified. The Motion made, and Question proposed, habitual drunkard had not been re"That the Bill be now read a second claimed, while the respectable citizen was time."

subjected to an amount of insult and

humiliation. The beneficent intentions SALE OF INTOXICATING LIQUOR ON of the promoters of the Bill had not been SUNDAY (IRELAND) BILL. fulfilled; but the liberties of the respectOBSERVATIONS.

able citizens of Ireland had been cur. MR. J. O'CONNOR (Tipperary, S.) tailed. The stigma of intemperance had said, he rose to oppose the second read been placed on the Irish people by this ing of the Bill for the purpose of draw- Bill without any grounds whatever. The ing the particular attention of the House statistics of drunkenness in England, to the Irish Sunday Closing Bill, which Ireland, and Scotland showed that. In was included in that measure. The the year 1886 in Scotland, which is the House would, doubtless, be ready to highest, and which is the country where extend to Ireland and England what total Sunday closing prevails were termed equal laws, although the MR. SPEAKER: Order, order! The expression had, so far as Ireland was hon. Gentleman is now exceeding the concerned, lost much of its significance. liberty of an hon. Member in discussing It was well known that the intentions of a measure included in the Expiring Laws the promoters of the Irish Sunday Continuance Bill. The hon. Gentleman Closing Bill had not been borne out or cannot go into the whole principle of the verified. As expressed in the Act itself, Sunday Closing Bill. That is only one the intention of the promoters of the Bill amung a great many others dealt Sunday Closing Bill was that drunken- with by the Bill before the House. ness might be decreased in Ireland, and When the Bill is in Committee the rethat thereby the material prosperity of marks of the hon. Gentleman will be in the country would be increased. First Order ; but he is now going into the he would endeavour to remove the whole question of Sunday licensing, stigma which had been sought to be which is not in Order. placed on Ireland by this Bill. The MR. J. O'CONNOR asked whether he facts and figures did not in any degree would be in Order in pointing out that bear out the expectations which were the Sunday Closing Act had failed in formed of the Act when it was passed. accomplishing the intention of its proIt was admitted that the measure was an moters ? experimental one, but the experiment Mr. SPEAKER said, that the hon. had failed, and experience had shown Member could not raise the principle of that it would not be successful. When the Act on the second reading of the the Bill was introduced, in 1878, 75 Expiring Laws Continuance Bill. The Irish Members supported it, but these proper course would be to more to exGentlemen were all of the classes who clude the Act in Committee. were not affected by the measure. He MR. J, O'CONNOR said, that acting (Mr. J. O'Connor) had now to point out on the advice of Mr. Speaker-if the that the present Representatives from Government would name a day on which Ireland were against the Bill. The pre- the Committee stage would be takensent Irish representation was drawn he would postpone the observations from the people. They knew the which he had to make. wants of the people. They were THE FIRST LORD OF THE TREAaffected by any legislation carried in SURY (Mr. W. H. SMITH) (Strand, Westminster) said, the Committee stage so as to clear the way for legislation of the Bill would be taken to-morrow. they would propose, and which would

MR. SEXTON (Belfast, W.) said, meet all sides of the question. They there was a strong contention in Ireland held that the Bill bad failed in its obthat the Act, which was merely an ex-ject; but they could not have fresh perimental Act, had failed in its object. legislation until it was out of the way. An inquiry into the working of the Act MR. W. H. SMITH said, that the was promised four years ago, and he hon. Gentleman wonld seo at once that would ask the Government whether, the Government could not part with the considering the great desire of a great Act; they must continue the Act for the many people in Ireland for an inquiry, present; but it would be in the power they would not order an inquiry between of Parliament to deal with the question this Session and next as to whether the next Session as it thought best. With Bill had succeeded or failed in its pur- regard to the point raised by the hon. pose. That would only be fulfilling a Member for Northampton (Mr. Bradpledge given when the Bill was intro- laugh), he (Mr. W. H. Smith) might troduced, and renewed year after year say that the Government were fully -it would give great satisfaction in Ire- aware of the importance of the Emland, and would tend to ease the passage ployers' Liability Bill. They had preof the Expiring Laws Continuance Bill pared a Bill dealing with the liability of through the House.

employers, and he had no hesitation in MR. BRADLAUGH (Northampton) giving the hon. Member an undertaking asked whether the Government, in view that the question should be further of the pledge given the Session before considered during the Recess, with the last, and repeated several times at the view of bringing forward at the earliest beginning of the Session, would under possible period next Session a considertake that the Employers' Liability Bill able measure on the whole subject. should be introduced at an early period Question put, and agreed to. next Session ?

Bill read a second time, and committed THE CHIEF SECRETARY FOR IRE

for To-morrow. LAND (Mr. A. J. BALFOUR) (Manchester, È.) said, so far as he was aware, SUPERANNUATION ACTS AMENDMENT the object of tho promised inquiry was to see whether the Act could be made

BILL.-[Bill 354.] perpetual instead of temporary and (Mr. Jackson, Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer.) newable. The right hon. Gentleman the

Member for the Bridgeton Division of Order for Committee read.
Glasgow (Sir George Trevelyan), when
Chief Secretary, gave it as his opinion

Motion made, and Question proposed, that the Act had been successful. The

“That Mr. Speaker do now leave the hon. Member for West Belfast (Mr. Chair.”—(Mr. Jackson.) Sexton) was probably aware that Irish SIR GEORGE CAMPBELL (Kirk. opinion was greatly divided on the ques- caldy, &c.) said, he protested against a tion of Sunday closing, not to speak of Bill of this character being read a English opinion. The Act had been second time, as had been done in this made temporary and renewable, and case, at 4 o'clock in the morning, when having been renewed, it might be pre- vory fow Members were present. He sumed that it was the opinion of the was not paid to sit up at such an unvarious Governments that the effect of earthly hour, and he had not done so. the measure had been satisfactory. He The Bill had been blocked by two sets did not himself profess to have formed of Members. It had been blocked by an opinion on the subject, and while he those who wanted to get more out of the promised to consider the question which Treasury, and also by others who wished the lion. Member had raised, he did not to prevent the Treasury giving too wish at that moment to give a definite much. He was induced to block it, bepledge.

cause he was afraid that the GovernMr. J. O'CONNOR said, that before ment intended to yield to the blockers the matter ended he desired to state that who wanted to get too much out of the their object in opposing the Bill was Treasury. The concessions contained that it should be dropped, if possible, in the Amendments were dangerous


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