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FOR Τ Η Ε Υ Ε Α R 1802.

Embellished with. Prespective Views of St. KENELM's Chapel; and of RAVENSTONDALE Church, WESTMORLAND; a Medal of CHRISTINA Queen of S:VEDEN, and one of JAMES Duke of MONMOUTH; some curiou" PAINTED

GLASS; a Plan of the TEMPLE of DIANA, &c. &c.

Mr. URBAN, Shrewsbury, ill.I. the old Abbey Church, at St. Edmund's HAY

AVING in vol. LXVII. p. 738, Bury, Suffolk.-It is fuid this grand

given a very accurate N. W. view monaflery was built in 1028. The hotof St. Kenelm's Chapel, I am induced, tle, which I have in my potlefiion in to fend von a S. E. view of that re a perfect ftate, npears to be composed markable structure. The other view of a fine light red earth, and of very was accompanied with a legendary ac hard consistence; and the drawing is it count of St. Kenelin; with this, you pretty exact representation of it. J.O. have a few observations on the building, &c.

Mr. URBAN,

O27. jó. ile general appearance of the build. T drawings of tivo antique rings, ing feens vot of higher antiquity than Henry the Third's time; but the South the one (fig. 5) of filver, the other entrance, over which is fome ancient (fig. 6) of gold. I had no opportunity fculpture, is undoubtedly part of the of exactly atcertaining their weight or old Saxon Chapel, which was erected dimensions; but judge them, from foon after the discovery of king Ke- handling, to be nearly four inches in nelm's body. The tower is a very diameer, and ihat the gold ring might elegant specimen of Gothic architeclure. weigh about twelve or thirteen onnces, On the outlide the chapel wall, front- and that of silver about ten ounces. ing the South, is carved a rude figure The gold ring I felesed, as the largest of a child, with two of his fingers lifted and bell wronght, from among eleven up, in the ancient form of giving the others, fome of which were quite plain, tinediction. Above the head of the fi- with double and treble scrolls, not in gure is carred a crown, which projects like the seroll mouth-pieces of a French considerably from the wall: no doubt horn. the whole was intended to represent

The Glver rings exceeded those of St. Kenelm; see fig. 2. As this chapel gold, in number, lize, and variety of was never privileged with the right of forms (The fpecimen from which the fepulture, no monuments or ivferip- drawing was male, reprefents a fillet.) tions appear, nor are there any arms, But they are fur inscrior in point of &c. in the windows. Fig. 3. represents workmanship, being very coarse, and the end of a feat facing the South en

rude. They all bear eviilent marks of trance, which seems the only original feat having been hammered out, and not left, the other being of modern erection.' caft.

The following is an inventory of the There were besides, with this col. plate, &c. which belonged to St. Ke- lection, leveral wedges of silver, of the nelm's chapel, before the dillolution. weight of from 12 10 20 ounces cach;

A lytyll thryne with odur relyques but whether these wedges were found therein.

fo, or wicther they were inelled down A heade of Seynt Kenelme, fylver from some of the rings, I could not and gylt.

learn. A crowne of sylver and gylt, with a This treafure is, or was very lately, cep ter of fylver.

in the poteflion of Mr. De Landre, Apex of tylver.

goldmitle of Skinner-Row, Dublin. A chalvs gyld with pax-brede sylver The account of it is very unfatisfactory. and gyll.

They try it was found not long Encc A folypp of sylver for incense. in a bor, in the couniy of West Meath, Yours, &c.

D. PARKES. but the potetor declines communicai

ing any particulars of the tinding: Mr. URBAN,

Dec. 6. Ti is not eafy even to conjecture fo. INCLOSED, is a sketch of a bottle

What ute or purpose trete rings were found fome years ago, with fonie intenderi, A ceriain Antiquary main. others, in a vault, under the ruins of losince that they apperturned to a great GENT. Mag. Supplement, 1802.

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temple, which, accordioz to him, once to have been either diafivle, or eufir'e exified in the county of West Meath, it was uncandid, therefore, in Obi rise dedicated to the Sun, under the name tor, to pretend that this argument was of Bal or Bei. That the worship of out of the quellion as applicable to the the Solar Fire did once fubist in the Ephesian Diana; fuce it obtains in country, he 31:ris, is proved by fereral any lonic temple, (feet he ciled patia real, heathen cere uolust in ule among itei in diastylo, &c.—Incandid also the natives : is also from the publes of in ouring out a voller 'ot lellening several well-known places, which epithets to discredit a fair demontirafignify as much, as Bål-tien-glas, Bal tion, proving that by fimilar lixoties timore, Bel-turbet, &c. and he aids taken with the central intercolumn ini that the furpentine forms of the greater an ocialiyle, as lator took in his donumber of ihele rings, do clearly prore decaller a like coincidence with them of oriental derivation, inasmuch Pliny's dimensions may be obtained; as the creature they represent was it was incumbent on Observator in never found in Ireland.

hold up io liis readers the deficiency of Jo confequence of draining the bogs, that demonsiration, before he indulged and interfering the country with ca. in those iniemperate expreflions, of nals, which is now profecuting with having foonnd the clalorate calculafo much profitable indutiry, curious tions, groundless allersions, and critas antique articles

are constanıly dit arguments of Philo-technon, hiie not covering; and if vefe discoveries re the least folid foundation for their rupfiect no new light on the old Milfim port, &c. Gentleman's Magazine for Romances, they however prove that April lali, p. 312. the precious metals formerly abounded To the retoried question, where is in Ireland, and that the inhabitants the good fenfe, &c. ? the anfiser is, were not ignorant of the manner of that had the inimenfe marble working them.

Jauns eresici by Crefiphon been con. It is proper to mention, that there fumed, as well as the timber, by the is another report current in Dublin fire kindled by Herofiratus, it is quite refpecting these articles, viz. ihu they confonant with good lente to fuppose were brought from Egypt, and formed them refiored as they were be ore. part of the plunder obtained by tone there be any wani of lense in individuals of onr army employed in merely fuppofing, but circumfịancially the Egyptian expedition. This report, atlering, that the Ephefian Diand was bowever, is pofitively contradicted by au ociatiyle diptere, a Cresiphonie c00the polla for; who' fays, moreover, lliurta; that it was the moti magniticent that general Vallancy his made draw or all Grecian * temples ; that it was ings of the whole, which he interds g20 feet in front; that the height of to publish with a memoir. E. W. its columns was a third of its width;

that iis architect was Cieliphon; that Mr. L'RBAN, Portsea, Ot. 10,

it was not completed in less time than INCE Observator, p. 735, once 220 years, nor blets efforis than the

more takes the field of conitorerly concurrence of all Afia, (no difficult on the subject of the Ephefian Dana, matter to find out 27 rulers called Philo-technon relies on your imparti- kings, in such a lapse of time); if all ality for as early a place as convenient thele arrivons and circumstances apto this rejoinder.

plied 10 dhe Ephetian Diana as exiting It was not for the much-foken-of in and fome time after the Augutian eie ont fèrunece of iting P-st right, ame, are 3!! or any of them fenteles, as well as bimself, about a temple of Ile reficcion files ar livrarius and Diava, not the Ephesian, that Obleiva- Pins, not at P--1. - Bit would (h. tor was charged with want of coudour, fervitor lecl Cavistied that his riile in the but for the unfair interenc drain as

reputation of good terle should refi ou a conllquence of that topographic miss the toppolition, that so many external take. For whether the example ciled immenie marble columns isere deexistent at Marne in, or at Ephetis, frored and levelled with the ground, fince in both places the temples were byone nizini's conflagration et the time Tonic, the columns in either of them ber within walis teven or eight feel not being note than eight diameters thich? Were we nog lately sitnelles anii a hut, and perhaps leds, the intera to a lanewsable contagmuion of the cluindiation of such, according to Pirruvius, chap. II. book Ill. is argued * Sweaplau of u in page 118:.

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timber work in St. Paul's Covent Gar- given by Vitruvius, therefore they are den, where there was a much greater fet off with the crepidines, which were proportion of combustible matter than the projectures of cornice of ftylobates at ihe fire at Ephefiis; vet do we not when there was a podium, or the talstill enjoy the remarkable portico of lies of the upper iread over the top Inign Jones's temple? and will be not riler of the flight of steps, which were fiili he called its archiiect? To the fe- adjulied by feet and inches, not by cond part of the retorted question; it modules : and this was the reason of is answered, there was nothing lenseless their exemption at cach end of the in allerting, that Vitruvinis referred front line; ihe crepidines, because they Augusius to the Ephetian Diana, as an were never of a commensurate quanintiance of an Oétaitvle dipicre, becaule tity; the projectures, because unfettled firielly trie; and P-t citer the paf- as to their number of ininutes which, lage, book III. chap. I. Obfervator's unless just 15 or of a module, would affected unacquaintance with this par- cause the divifor in have a troublesome fage and his pretence of being drawn frostion, for there appears no other inio an error by P-t, because no toch reason for their exemplion. But it is reference to any particular temple is an utterly false idea that Vitruvius made in the preface to 7th book, is bounds the front of a temple at the ananother fpecinien of his want of can gular afts; his words are;

( Frons dour.

loci, quæ in de constituta fuerit, fi There must either be an error of the terrafiylos facienda fuerit, dividatur in press, or an absence of mind, when partes undecim femis præter crepidines Oblervator wrote ihe following lines : el projecturas spirarum: î fex erit “ Vitruvius--on the eulty le species, by columnarum in partes 18; fi octasiylos dividing the place designed for the front in partes 24 et femidlem.... of the temple into a number of paris, una pars erit modulus." In English, obtains the part for the module and The local front appointed for a temple diameters of the columns, upon this when four columns, is to be divided division, previous to the exclution of into eleren parts and a half besides the the projecture of the bases, which, if marginals and project res of (angular) adıniited into the space set out for the bles, (can words more clearly say front of the temple, would contract it, that the projectures and marginals are and the species would no longer be a part of the local front line); when fix the entiyle." Now Prat, inwilling to columns into 18 paris; when 8 into take advantage of this pallige, which 24 parts and a half; one such part as it lies is absolutely ngintelligible, all be the module.” It is not true, gives Obfervator credit, that he wrote, therefore, that Vitruvius fizes the or intended to write aılmillion, infead lreadth of the temple in front at the, of exclufion, afier the words, previous extent of the days of the angulor coto the. This will make sense of the livinns, cxcluding the projecture of the reading, but the inference drawn is liajes and platfurm: nor are pre-l's argı?miferably inaccurate, and the atlerrion menis, vol. XXI. p. 1084, and calthat follows it void of truth. For the culations, founded upon a vague and full admillion of the angular projectures lajis, but upon the clear documents would only change the divitor and con and aftertions of Vitruvius, who in. tract the scale, but nowavs interrupt flitutes the above divisions for the exthe eulivle limmetrv. And Viiruring press purpose of finding the module, must certainly inftitites the division in which is injuliciously denied by Obquetion, on purpose to recover a mo fervator. The rain evidence, therefore, dulus, which, being a commenfurate lo pertinacinully triumphed in, of an quantity, can only be obtained from a unractional coincidenceoi'a douecallyle divition of a line that h ih conuentire with Pliny's dimensions, is truly rability, which is not the cate with frunded on a glaring initapprehension the whole extent of the front line of a of the meaning of Vitruriis, as herein te unple; for the crepilines and pro. proied, and Pat's former expofition, jectures of augular bafes, though ihey it is inlilled on, is truc and accurate. certainly belong to the front line of a Viinurius pointing out &c. and the temple wiren bales are employed, yet, thirteen lines following, are allovether as ihe Doric columns have no bafes, melligible; there is no such pallage and as their projectures are diputed, in Vitrerius. If it is rightly conjec. and feldoin allowed the 15 ininuies tured, he means to infinuaic as a de

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dacion from the documents of Vitru- petliros, nor will he, or any person, vios, that the pycoolivle and fysyle prove ihat it had coluinns in its cell. mas' have their central intercoluinn As to Observator's idea of what Vitruwidened, as they require it ftill mire rius calls the pofticum, it is to foreign than the eulivle; if this be Obfervator's to the reality and erroneous, that he meaning, it is answered that in the will find realon enough to coniplain of prelem: pursuit ve ferk, not what P-t being drawn into an error by accrediior Obie-rator may think an improve- ing Perrault and other inoderns. This ment on Vitruvius, but what Vitruvius fubject will be discusled in No. did, or did noi, really teach. He ob- XAVIII. P--t, in the mean time, jects to the prenosiyle and fystyle, be- informs Observator, that he will find cause those narrow intercolumns were at last, that what Vitruvius means by inconvenient; to the diaftvle, becaule Posticum is, that in peripteres a single, the intercolumns were fo wide that in dipleres a double walking-place at ihe the cpistvles were apt to break: he ex backs of these temples, with columns tolls 'the invention of the enstyle as a in number and disposition like those. remedy for hoth : this is the fubftance in the portico, and the back wall of the of what Vitruvius says on the subject, cell folid wishout aperture, is the only which, clear as it is, Observator has distinguishing characteristie of the Puiobscured, to conceal fome strange in- ticum from the portico in front, where, ference of his own, froin the glare of intiead of a folid wall on the fule of the noon-day funshine.

inner walk, there are in front of pronaos Observator tells us he has fufficient two columns and three intercolumns knowledge of Greciar temples, to pro- enclosed to a certain lieight with banounce that columns are as necellary lustrades and three doors leading 10 the in the cell and poliicum, as in the pro- interior part of pronaos. Whatever naos ..... to lupport the cieling and other idea of a pollicum and portico roof when the tpan was above 10 feet. may be fuggested, it has noihing to do Now to cut this part of the controverty wish Vitruvius. And Observator will fhort, P-t pronounces, from his know allo find that he has been ioo buty ledge of the geometrical principles of in his retort on P-t's plan of the carpentry, that any fpan, eren of an Ephetian Diana ordained as direfird by hundred or an hundred and afty feet, Vitruvius, and is not, like the dode provided the walls are proportionably cattle, an unprecedented whim. Obinick (which is always the cale in fervator knows his darling dodecaltvle Grecian temples), niay beve a cieling has its death warrant signed in the and roof suponied without either co- chap. 23, book 30, of Pliny's Natural lumn or fulcrum of any kind urder, History, where it is laid the antients besides the walls, and that the ancienes made the columns in the Ephefiae knew there principles of carpentry, we Diana a third of the temple's breadı learn from "Pliny, Julius Caefar, and in height; and so far is this pallage others. Therefore if Observator knows from being corrupted, that it clearly no more of the other documents of accords with whai Vitruvius has taid Grerian temples, than of their roofs, of this temple, and with what he has he has much more learn than he tauglit concerning lonic columos; foc probably fufpects.-Moli undoubtedly this partage proves that it was setafiyle the ancients placed colunms in the cells entiyle, liuce the divisor for such a of such temples as were dedicated to front without the projeciures is St; the imaginary divinities fuppoleci to and as the projectures at last are delight in the open air; and ihele tein- have their places in the front, we will ples were accordingly called hypetbros, add these two proj-tures = { a diand-utally decalivle, though the J:« ameter to the divifur, and make it 25, piter Olyinpius is laid by Vitruvius to one third whereof is equal s}, the be oétalive and hispethre: these had commenfurate height of the columna columns in their cells; but not ihere to therefore was. 8 diameters and {, and fupport the rooi, for the cell was open the alifolute, 73 feet 4 inches. Obat top to the sky. Concerning there fervator says the text is corrupted betemples P-- will fully treat in No. canle fuck gigantic columns were nerer XXIX. and XXX. when it fhall beard of. He lliould have added, come to their turn to appear.--it pre- never heard of before the Ephefirena fent Observator may rest satisfied that Diuna las heard of, which for that ihe Ephelian Diana was not an hye fery quality which he calls gigantic,

more than for any other confideration, constant in my attendance, and have was celebrued as one of the wonders frequently been entertained and in of the world; and the largest of all ftructed by the very ingenious and temples then exilling, and now con- · learned papers that are from time to ciutively proved to have been an octa- time read at their meetings, as well as style evliyle diptere.

by numerous curious objects submitted Lalily, P-i !id not allert that the to their inspection. I have also reædes in antis had the ante on the fides, ceived, in common with the rest of the on the authority of Vitruvius; but on members, such a punber of rich and the authority of common sense and fplendid publications from them, as common practice in regular and elegant otten to excite my admiration from buildings: there will be discussed in what fund they were produced, or how their place; in the mean tiine P- the Society could pofiibly afford to can but thank Observator for furnishiog publish, and give them to their now him with a proof from Vitruvius, very mumerous brethren. In fact, fo though unintentionally, that there very fplendid have their publications were pilasters along the sides ; but not been, of late particularly, that it has ante, which he lays belong to the ends proved an incitement, on the one of walls as their ter:nination, and that hand, to numerous persons to offer the parafiatæ are continued along the themselves as candidates, who had no walls; and then defies P-t to produce pretensions whatever to belong to that any one example in Vitruvius for hav or any other literary Society; and, on the ing aloug the wall pilafiers which he other, it has led, or rather compelled the fars are parastata 110t anta as Pet Society (in order to enable them to supcalls them: this is fairly stated; now port

the

expences they were engaged Vitruvius book Ill. chap. 1: has in), to consent to the admillion of such these words, adium principia funt an indiscriminate rabble, as has very

et primum in Antis, quod Græcè much lessened and degraded the title of rewe ev ne apxItaor dicitur: here let the Socius, or Fellow, once to honourable reader decide whether antæ the Larin and to much valued. name, and para ftatæ the Greek, are Bat though by this indiscriminate not the same things. It remains to

admillion of members a considerable apologize, for the length of this letter; quamity of ready money was brought it is an answer to a long one.

into the treafury of the Society, yet Yours, 8c. PHILO-TECHNON.

by that means the number of copies of their works they were obliged to give

away (each member being entitled to Mir. URBAN,

Dec. 20. one) were so increased, ihat, intiead A a , it adoled to their embar

accruing to the community from raffinents. the publication of Magazines or Jour Accordingly, in the course of the last Fals at ftated periods, one, and not fesfion, the Council proposed and rethe least, is the opportunity afforded commended, that the members of the of examining into the conduct of Society fhould be aflelled in the folindividuals, or of societies of men, forving nranner ; that is, “ that alt whose acts have an influence on the the members, who were now paying learning, the morals, or the happiness two guineas, should hereafter pay of the people. This, when done with three guineas annually ; and those iemper and moderation, may be pro- meinbers, who had compounded for ductive of Gingular benefit, not only their annual payments by paying 26 to the publick, but to the persons or guineas on their admillion, should now focieties, whole conduct is fcrutinized. pay a farther fom of 10 guineas ;” and, Under the impression of tłris opinion, in failure of making these additional and with the view of effecting fome payments, they were to be rejected change in the management of a learned from the list of members. This proand reljscciable hody, the Society of An- pofal was hung up the time directed riquaries, with which you, Mr. Edi- by the statutes in the ineeting room of tor, have long been connected, I shall the fociety, to receive the fanction of a request the insertion of the following general meeting of the members; hy oblervations.

whom it was almost unanimouily reI have been several years a member of jected, there being scarcely any but the that very respectable Society, am prelty members of the Council who voted for

establishing

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