ling, and ftigmatize it with the odious Names of Witchcraft and Idolatry, you may do as you think fitting. But for my Part I am not fond of a Lodging in Newgate, and therefore will give it no fuch Names; which may perhaps offend the Government. This I maintain pofitively, that the Pope's depofing Power is difown'd by far the greatest Number of Roman Catholicks. So that there is no Danger on that Score in the Communion of the Church of Rome. Nay in France, where they are found Catholicks, no Divine dares teach it.

» G. My Lord, my Difpute is with the Church of » Rome. And if the Church of France differs from the » Church of Rome in Matters whereon Salvation depends, they cannot be faid to be one Church, or to have the fame Guides to Heaven. pag. 69.

L. I take you, Sr, to be extremely out in your Cafuiftry in pretending that French and Italian Di vines cannot be of the fame Church, because they differ in their Opinions concerning a moral Duty; which only obliges a Man to follow in Practice, what in his Confcience he Judges to be most reafonable. Is there any thing more common either among Proteftant or Catholick Divines than to be of different Opinions in Deciding Cafes relating to moral Duties? And yet there is not a moral Duty, but Salvation is more or lefs concern'd in it. Yet this Difference makes no Breach of Communion. And why then will you not vouchfafe to see, that Italian and French Divines, tho, they differ in a moral Queftion, may yet be truly in one Church, and have the fame Guides to Heaven? 4104

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The fame Subject continued.

6. Bended itfelf even to France: of which you

My Lord, the Pope's depofing Power ex- « itferde en

will find frequent Inftances in Hiftory. And even fo late as the holy League against Henry the 3d. All « the Popes in that Time join'd with the League a. « gainst the King, and fupported the Rebellion by their Authority. And the Generality of the Bishops « and Clergy of France, and their Universities took « Part with the League, and juftified it by Principle and in Print. The Book of the just Abdication of «. Henry the 3d King of France was then writ upon the « Foot of the depofing Power, not only of the Pope, « -but also of the People. pag. 69.70. «

L. Ay Marry, Sr, the depofing Power of the People is fomething for without it, that of the Pope will do but little Execution. But what need of running back as far as the French League for an Inftance I mean not of the Pope's, but of the People's depofing Power? Have we not one of a much fresher date at Home? To wit, the English League, which produced the Revolution. And did not the Generality of the Bishops and Clergy of England, and the two Univer fities take Part in this League? Was it not justified by Principle, and innumerable Books writ in Defence of it upon the Foot of the depofing Power lodg'd in the People? Now; Sr, you may go on.

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G. D'Avila in his Hißory of the civil Wars « in France tells us a great and folemn Proceffion was made by Order from the Cardinal Legate to « implore God's Affiftance (for the Succefs of the « League against the King) in which the Prelates, a

"Priests and Monks of the feveral Religious Orders » walk'd all in their accuftom'd Habits. But befides » them arm'd openly with Corflets, Guns, Swords, ❞ and all kind of Arms offenfive and defenfive: » making at once a double shew both of Devotion, » and Conftancy of Heart to defend themselves.' » Which Ceremony, tho it feem'd undecent and » ridiculous (fays d'Avila) yet was of great Ufe to » augment and confirm the Courage of the common People. And the Cardinal Legate fays in the Declaration he publish'd to the Leaguers; that to » acknowledge an Heretick for their King is the Dream ∞ of a Mad-man, which proceeds from nothing else but » heretical Contagion. pag. 70. 71.

L. Sr, the Ceremony defcribed by d'Avila was certainly undecent and ridiculous. But, as to the Cardinal's Declaration, do's it not express the prefent Sentiments of the Church of England in Relation to a Popish Succeffor? And where then is the Difference as to the Safety of Salvation?

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» G. My Lord, the Leaguers shew'd, wherein they placed their Confidence, and sayd, they are the most holy Fathers (the Popes) and the most holy » See, that have fent us Relief, And tho many have been call'd to that holy Dignity fince the laft » troubles, yet has there not been one of them, who » has changed his Affection towards us. A moft certain Teftimony, that our Caufe is just. [D'Avila pag. 598.] pag. 71.

L. Sr, the French Leaguers wore certainly very much influenced by the Authority of fome Popes, who fided with the League But were not the People` of Great Britain at a certain Time influenced in the fame Manner by their Spiritual Guides? I mean, the Bishops and Clergy? Remember but the History of the feven golden Candlesticks, and the Prince of Orange';

245 printed Declaration, that he was call'd in by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and there will be no Room left to doubt of it. I am forry, Sr, you oblige me to the odious Task of Recriminating. But fince you are fo very tart upon the Church of Rome because Tome of that Communion teach, and fome have practifed the depofing Doctrine, and you even claim a mighty Advantage over her upon that Head, you lay a Neceffity upon me to put you in Mind of these ungrateful Truths, that you may not be fo warm in Condemning your Enemies abroad, for what you practise yourselves at home without any Scruple.

G. To return to the French League, there were « fix Popes during that Time, viz. Gregory XIII. Six- « tus V. Urban VII. Gregory XIV. Innocent IX. and « Clement VIII. And they fupported that Rebellion « not only with their Bleffing it and the Authors of «it, and Curfing the King and all his loyal Sub- « jects, who adhered to him; but they fent more « substantial Relief, viz. 300000 Crowns for the « Service of the Cardinal of Bourbon, whom they had « chofen by the Name of Charles the tenth against the « next in Blood, only because he was a Proteftant: «e and 15000 Crowns a Month to carry on that Re- « bellion with an Army of 6000 Foot, and 1200 « Horse to affift these holy Leaguers. pag. 71. «

L. Juft fo, Sr, did Queen Elizabeth the Head and Foundreß of your Church affift the Dutch Leaguers with Men and Money against King Philip. And your Royal Martyr King Charles I. affifted the Rebels of Rochel against Lewis the 13th their undoubted Sovereign.

G. The Pope went Heart and Hand into the « Work, which he accounted excellently good « (fays d'Avila) and of wonderful Glory and Ad- « yantage to the Apoftolick See. And afterwards when «

8. 41. "the Succefs of the King's Arms had induced fe» veral of the Clergy, and others to come over to » him, the Pope fent his Monitory Letters to the Pre

lates and Catholicks commanding them under Pain of » Excommunication, and of being deprived of their Di gnities and Benefices, and of being used as Sectaries and Hereticks, that they should withdraw themselves from thofe Places, that yielded Obedience to Henry of » Bourbon (fo he ftiled the King) and from the Union » and Fellowship of his Faction. D'Avila L. 13. p. 613. And the Authority of the Pope prevail'd fo far at laft, that those Catholicks, who had join'd with "the King, form'd a Confpiracy against him upon his delay of Changing his Religion; wherein the Princes of the Blood were most violent, and told » him plainly to his Face, that if he did not perform » his Promife (to turn Roman Catholick) they would » defert him, and join with the League. Ibid. pag. » 611, 612, pag. 71. 72.

L. Sr, I must beg Leave to interrupt you for a Moment. You have named fix Popes, that fided with the French League. First, it is nothing to the Purpose whether they did or no. For if the depofing Dodrine be falfe, the Popes, that join'd with the League were to be blamed; and 'tis à convincing Proof, that they are not impeccable. But, whether, that Doctrine be true or false (for 'tis not my Bufinefs to decide the Queftion) they did no more than the English Bishops and Clergy did at the Revolution, and have done ever fince upon Revolution principles. So that, whether Right or Wrong, they and the Popes have nothing to reproach one another. However you are fomewhat Mistaken in your Number of thofe Papes, that fided with the League. For Maimbourg, whom no Man can accufe of being too favourable to the Court of Rome, tells us in his Hiftory of the